Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x10 - "Terra Firma, Part 2"

[Discofan]

Do we know she actually read his bio? We know she watched Picards...body cam?

Well, she had plenty of time for that. Remember that she was there for a year. It would only make sense for her to try to learn everything she could about her brother. By the end of season 2, they were very close. So she could have stumbled upon a few reports about their encounter with the Guardian. Plus we know of at least one instance of them going back there. For all we know, Starfleet could have had hundreds of these interventions.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

For some reason, I immediately thought of when celebrities visit Sesame Street.

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[jackoverfull]

It would only make sense for her to try to learn everything she could about her brother.

it would make sense, yet she doesn’t even know that the Romulans and Vulcans were the same race, even if Spock worked on the reunification for decades and is a revered public figure on Vulcan.

 

[Yistaan]

Never seen it, and I guess I'm a relic of when it was considered non-canon, or even just apocryphal. I've watched every Star Trek episode ever, but never watched TAS.

I love that CBS just one day said, "Hey this show should be canon. Let's declare it canon!" And that was that.

Meanwhile, over at that other Star franchise we can't even get them to recanonize the first (pre-CGI) Clone Wars cartoon. The one that had real important events in it like the Knighting of Anakin Skywalker (something that hasn't been re-depicted in Disney's Canon) or Palpatine's Clone Wars kidnapping.

 

[jackoverfull]

I love that CBS just one day said, "Hey this show should be canon. Let's declare it canon!" And that was that.

more like “hey, we’re about to start selling this show on DVD, let’s make it canon to help sales”.

 

[Yistaan]

more like “hey, we’re about to start selling this show on DVD, let’s make it canon to help sales”.

How is that different from Disney losing out on money from sales of the Ewok movies or old Clone Wars cartoons? At least CBS cares enough about money for that.

 

[fireproof78]

How is that different from Disney losing out on money from sales of the Ewok movies or old Clone Wars cartoons? At least CBS cares enough about money for that.

I wonder if Lucas had a say in that with the sale.

 

[Noname Given]

I love that CBS just one day said, "Hey this show should be canon. Let's declare it canon!" And that was that.

Meanwhile, over at that other Star franchise we can't even get them to recanonize the first (pre-CGI) Clone Wars cartoon. The one that had real important events in it like the Knighting of Anakin Skywalker (something that hasn't been re-depicted in Disney's Canon) or Palpatine's Clone Wars kidnapping.

TAS was only decanonized because Filmation at the time (when TNG was in pre-production and staring) that all the stuff from TAS was theirs and if Paramount used any of the story elements or things done/stated in TAS - Paramount would owe them royalty fees; and they would sue if they did get them.

So Paramount declared TAS non-canon and told the writing and production teams to make sure NOTHING from TAS was referenced in TAS or any of the feature films.

By 2006 Filmation had been bankrupt/out of business for a while so all the rights to TAS and its related material reverted solely back to Paramount = "Hey! TAS is canon again."

 

[UssGlenn]

B: The Present
As above. Also there is potential for contradiction of Past Tense. (And bringing up the Sanctuary Districts would be confusing to casual viwers who wouldn't have seen most of Deep Space Nine.)

C: Late 2060's Post First Contact
There is a lot of potential here.

I'm sure the show will be about her founding Section 31. The whole vibe of the organization fits perfectly with where they have brought Georgiou character (willing to violate the ideals to protect the same ideals).

The statement by Kurtzman about us being surprised about when It is set, makes me think it will be set in the present or very near future. That's the only place we wouldn't expect. This would contradict the statement in Enterprise about it's origin being in the original Starfleet Charter (they can't call it Section 31 before that). That would put her in 2135, if they follow what Enterprise implied. But she has future knowledge so picking up the name early isn't a deal breaker. Having a Terran found an organization that many have derided as antithetical to the Star Trek universe is exactly the kind of sly retcon they love.

So I think somewhere close to the present. It's just a crazy enough idea, I could see them going for it. Also jibes with the "we want all the shows to be distinct" statement.

 

[cooleddie74]

How is that different from Disney losing out on money from sales of the Ewok movies or old Clone Wars cartoons? At least CBS cares enough about money for that.

I'd canonize the two Ewok movies for sure. They easily fit into the ROTJ timeline and don't violate post-1980s canon in any way I've ever heard about.

 

[Yistaan]

I'd canonize the two Ewok movies for sure. They easily fit into the ROTJ timeline and don't violate post-1980s canon in any way I've ever heard about.

I think you mean post 2014 canon. Star Wars had pre-2014 canon (everything from the 1976 original film novelization to material mid 2014, now called Legends), and the new Canon built on the episodic movies and 2008 Clone Wars cartoon set up in 2014 and all material going forward after that (the continuity the Mandalorian and sequel movies are in).

You think Trek fandom feuds are bad? It's got nothing on the schism in Star Wars post Disney buyout.

 

[cooleddie74]

No, I mean any established Star Wars continuity after the 1980s. No old EU novel continuity from the '90s nor anything beyond of any official medium. They didn't violate pre-Disney canon and don't violate post-Disney canon. Those movies exist in a safe spot of the Star Wars timeline where none of the events violate the events of ROTJ either before the Rebels and Imperials arrive nor afterwards. They're not the greatest films by any measurement but you can plug those adventures into the canon at the tail end of the OT Era and not have any conflicting details that would make fans go bat guano insane over this not jibing with that.

That wouldn't stop some fans from nitpicking them to death but that's just what fandom likes to do.

 

[dupersuper]

Well, she had plenty of time for that. Remember that she was there for a year. It would only make sense for her to try to learn everything she could about her brother. By the end of season 2, they were very close. So she could have stumbled upon a few reports about their encounter with the Guardian. Plus we know of at least one instance of them going back there. For all we know, Starfleet could have had hundreds of these interventions.

Yet after watching the Spock video she flat out says she's been avoiding doing that the whole year.

 

[Kaelef]

more like “hey, we’re about to start selling this show on DVD, let’s make it canon to help sales”.

I suspect the number of viewers/consumers of Trek who care whether TAS (or any other offshoot of Trek) is canon or not is vanishingly small.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

OK some lovely people on reddit changed the bus sign now it's more Mirror centric.

 

[Scionz]

I love that CBS just one day said, "Hey this show should be canon. Let's declare it canon!" And that was that.

Meanwhile, over at that other Star franchise we can't even get them to recanonize the first (pre-CGI) Clone Wars cartoon. The one that had real important events in it like the Knighting of Anakin Skywalker (something that hasn't been re-depicted in Disney's Canon) or Palpatine's Clone Wars kidnapping.

There's something to be said about being careful about what is canon and what is not. As much as I like the post-DS9/Voyager/TNG books and the direction they went in the 2380s, I understand why they aren't canon. I think Star Trek has benefited by being very selective as to what is cannon - until recently just the live action TV shows and movies. At the other end of the spectrum is Star Wars, which just a few years after drawing a clean canon slat, has become a mess again because of the inclusion of (and especially) the comic books and mobile games. The Star Wars canon would have a lot less junk in it, if it were just the movies, modern TV shows (including both Clone Wars), and a white list of select books.


It was always strange that TAS was non canon given the involvement of the original cast and crew. But it did make sense in the "only live action on TV and movies is canon" paradigm. Lower Decks certainly undermines the case for that strict a standard. I just hope Star Trek stays selective about canon. Because one thing we don't need is seeing something canon-absurd like the Enterprise-E fighting humanoid space monsters the size of planets, which is something that actually happened (more or less) in the Star Wars comic.

 

[jackoverfull]

I suspect the number of viewers/consumers of Trek who care whether TAS (or any other offshoot of Trek) is canon or not is vanishingly small.

yes, but every bit helps in publicizing a product, especially one that’s not really popular

 

[Sci]

The best part of the show for me so far was meeting Adira and the Trill. That was a nice addition to the cast and a great episode.

Personally, I don't think she's such a great actress. It's like she's only capable of expressing one emotion that she uses for all purposes with maybe different degrees of intensity if that.

1) I absolutely do not agree with that assessment and have no idea how you could say that. They've displayed remarkable range for such a young actor, especially in "Forget Me Not."

2) Blu del Barrio is not a woman and we should not refer to them with feminine pronouns. Blu del Barrio is nonbinary and should be referred to using they/them pronouns.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

1) I absolutely do not agree with that assessment and have no idea how you could say that. They've displayed remarkable range for such a young actor, especially in "Forget Me Not."

2) Blu del Barrio is not a woman and we should not refer to them with feminine pronouns. Blu del Barrio is nonbinary and should be referred to using they/them pronouns.

Not that young for an actor at 23 but everything else you said is spot on

 

[Scionz]

1) I absolutely do not agree with that assessment and have no idea how you could say that. They've displayed remarkable range for such a young actor, especially in "Forget Me Not."

2) Blu del Barrio is not a woman and we should not refer to them with feminine pronouns. Blu del Barrio is nonbinary and should be referred to using they/them pronouns.

The problem isn't the actor. They're doing good work with what they're being given.

The problem is that the writers created the character and had about a total of two episodes worth of story for them. This is a recurring problem with modern TV show and movie writing. Writers think it's about economy of plot. But it really comes off as sloppiness. Even laziness. That's why on this show and so many others, character that have an interesting concept behind them become animate plot devices.

Discovery is not supposed to be an ensamble show like other Trek shows. It centers on Burnham. But three seasons in, the show keeps adding more barely explored and utilized characters while other ones there since the beginning sit there and make facial expressions or are glorifed background actors.

I think the prototype example is Worf. In Season 1, the "Klingon marine" was about on the level of the entirety of the Discovery bridge crew whose names many of us have to go to Memory Alpha to look up. He got more exploration in Season 2. By Season 3 he was a fully fleshed out character. 3 seasons in, every single character except Burnham, Saru, Stamets, Tilly, and Culber are at that level. In many ways, the fault is in the concept of the show. With a rent-a-actor in Jason Isaacs in season 1, then a rent-a-captain in Season 2 with Pike, two whole seasons of of character development of one of the leading actors of each season isn't carried over.

Hopefully Season 4 doesn't add any major new characters to ship, and instead focuses on developing the ones it has.