Point taken and understood. Sorry for that comment I posted.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x10 - "Terra Firma, Part 2"
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Point taken and understood. Sorry for that comment I posted.
Apologies accepted, LLAP.
Probably my one criticism was the fearsome, badass Captain Killy's unique interrogation techniques amounted to... pressing a button on the Agony Booth.
meanwhile mirror Samuel Cogley is lamenting how modern technologies brings humanity out of torture.
In your opinion.
But, I was simply providing possible explanations based on what we saw on the show itself (Burnham herself mentioned that the coordinates to GoF were found by Discovery by using both past/present Federation databases and 100 000 years worth of intelligence/Sphere Data)... if you don't like them, ask the writers or wait for someone else to give you a response you would like to hear.
Although her hands were tied, to some extent, since Georgiou wanted Burnham kept alive.
My sarcastic comment about general knee jerk reactionism against Georgiou was not directed at anyone.
This is my $.05 (since it's probably a bit more than 2 cents). I don't assume much about anyone person. I am, by my own admission, a sarcastic, flippant, and sometimes irreverent, commentator. I make jokes around general ideas of people not liking Discovery. But, for those, like you (among so many others here) who don't like it I appreciate that you have your reasons I think that most of you have been far kinder to Discovery in sticking around because it's clear that it isn't enjoyable-at all.
I appreciate that, but, I do not understand it. Which is why your explanations are helpful.
Well put. And I think that is always the danger, especially with people we vehemently disagree with and see as monstrous-they are still humans.
I mean, I don't see it that way in terms of slapdash. I thought the whole point of this episode was to highlight just how much Georgiou had changed despite her protestations to Prime Michael to the contrary. That she needed to revisit the MU in order to see just how much she was different from where she came.
I don't think she is fully redeemed, but I think she is on the path to become that rehabilitated person as an on going learning process. And, I think that the MU highlights this because, unlike Hitler, Georgiou was never shown another way. The morality of the MU was survival of the strong, in a way similar to Sparta. Georgiou has now been shown another way and it has changed her.
For me, that is the essence of Star Trek-the ability of the human being to become better.
Mileage will vary.
I am not going to go read all the fray and fece-flinging I'm sure has taken place on the last 20 pages. I don't need to re-hash endless repetitive debates about (let me guess) Space Hitler, Burnham Crying, and The Sanctity of the Guardian of Forever.
I loved this one. I thought the character-focus on Georgiou was outstanding, and I loved how the redemption arc came to pass. It felt realistic (not "all is forgiven" but "I have changed in spite of everything...and there IS a path forward into the light" which is very much the core of DSC and Trek in general).
The MU stuff was what I've come to expect in all it's glorious overdone brilliance. This actually has me really looking forward to Michelle Yeoh in her own series, which I was sort of lukewarm on after the initial announcement. I liked the "mirrored" credits montage...but it would have been even cooler if they gave it the "Mirror Darkly" ENT treatment with different music and images.
Brilliant fun. I actually said "that was wonderful" to my wife at the end of the episode.
9/10
POSITIVE: I imagine finding things to discuss must be even harder this week, since no 5-second image of a TNG uniform is present.
I loved this one. I thought the character-focus on Georgiou was outstanding, and I loved how the redemption arc came to pass. It felt realistic (not "all is forgiven" but "I have changed in spite of everything...and there IS a path forward into the light" which is very much the core of DSC and Trek in general).
The MU stuff was what I've come to expect in all it's glorious overdone brilliance. This actually has me really looking forward to Michelle Yeoh in her own series, which I was sort of lukewarm on after the initial announcement. I liked the "mirrored" credits montage...but it would have been even cooler if they gave it the "Mirror Darkly" ENT treatment with different music and images.
Brilliant fun. I actually said "that was wonderful" to my wife at the end of the episode.
9/10
POSITIVE: I imagine finding things to discuss must be even harder this week, since no 5-second image of a TNG uniform is present.
Exactly so!
right, but alive doesn’t mean with all her teeth or eyes...Good that the Agonizer is supposed to inflict much more pain than possible with physical means and we avoided that.
agreed, and this is something I like a lot about this arc: it shows, up to a point at least, that mirror universe people is just that, people, they’re not necessarily intrinsically evil but are evil because of the environment they live in.
I don't know, there was slow starvation, sleep deprivation and some other subtle things being done to Burnham. Plus we didn't see all that was being done to her.
Just wait 'til they have an episode that shows a Monster Maroon.
Kovich: "We believe a Temporal Agent -- posing as one Ensign Christian Slater -- secretly planted a detonation device inside Praxis, a Klingon moon, to destabilize the Empire in 2293."
NGL, I would watch a Star Trek: Carl series.
Appealing to CBS's traditional Matlock/Murder She Wrote demographic, we follow the adventures of Star Trek's loveable curmudgeonly Talking Time Donut, as he travels the space-time continuum giving people second chances. Picture Touched By an Angel, or Father Dowling: Time Portal.
That said, I loved this episode. I was a little confused about the emperor's ultimate fate, but I assume that was to leave things open for the Section 31 series. I particularly loved Mirror Saru's development. Also, I don't know if it was intentional, but I liked how the Stone Donut looked just a little more like the version seen in "Yesteryear," which was the first Trek I ever saw as a kid back in the Cro Magnon era
Appealing to CBS's traditional Matlock/Murder She Wrote demographic, we follow the adventures of Star Trek's loveable curmudgeonly Talking Time Donut, as he travels the space-time continuum giving people second chances. Picture Touched By an Angel, or Father Dowling: Time Portal.
That said, I loved this episode. I was a little confused about the emperor's ultimate fate, but I assume that was to leave things open for the Section 31 series. I particularly loved Mirror Saru's development. Also, I don't know if it was intentional, but I liked how the Stone Donut looked just a little more like the version seen in "Yesteryear," which was the first Trek I ever saw as a kid back in the Cro Magnon era
Bonus points for the Discovery Tantalus device having almost identical silver knobs and "teardrop" button to trigger the weapon.
Plus his avatar could be different for each case... Sometimes a pretty young woman, sometimes a warrior, sometimes something else...
I noticed that, too! As soon as I saw Georgiou looking at the screen on the wall, I started looking for the controls of the Tantalus field! That was a good bit of detail done.
And the Donut could change forms, like, say, into a phone booth.
To turn in to Super Carl?
I was thinking of the TARDIS.
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