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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x10 - "Terra Firma, Part 2"
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I’d give it a go, assuming the previews look good. My objections to the Georgiou character have stemmed from choices Discovery has made — to play evil for laughs, to delight in killing and lean into gore, and to avoid reforming the character earlier. But the last couple eps addresses some of my concerns. I’ll try to judge her spin-off show on its own merits, assuming it continues the course just set.
Just stay out of the 23rd century. PLEASE.
The DS9 MU episodes were campy as all hell, but the MU counterparts of the characters we knew were not absurdly jumped up in importance. Intendant Kira, for example, was a heavy, but really she was just in charge of Terok Nor.
And we later learned that Regent Worf was the ruler of the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance and everybody else answered to him.
This is the very reason the episode only got an 8 from me. Georgiou, both incarnations, is my favorite DSC character, but the "funeral" scene was bizarre and out of place. I can see Burnham, and perhaps Saru, being upset, since it's almost like losing Prime Georgiou all over again, but everyone else...? Really?
Agreed. Some of the best Trek stories I've ever encountered had space travel only in the background or even completely absent.
I don't think they really established on the show that regent was a title analogous to chancellor.
Regardless, that was just...normal levels of epicness for DS9 unfortunately. Considering Martok ended up chancellor, and Rom grand negus.
Yeah, I always just accepted the MU Worf was ruling things in 2372 since no episode from that point forward established a higher authority.
I have a hard time accepting that, as they portrayed MU Worf as an idiot.
It's the Mirror Universe. Idiots were aplenty in every century.
Yes. Because I understand that any two episodes of a TV series are mutually exclusive - that's especially true when one is as divergent as this.so see you next week?
But I can't help see a bit of irony here. The greater implication here is the old "why do watch if you don't like it?" argument in response to a post where I stated I didn't like an episode so I stopped watching it.
Also, I don't remember such snarky bullshit when I had nothing but glaring praise for "Forget Me Not."
Yes. How dare I post my opinion about an episode in the Post Your Opinion About the Episode thread!
Where's the hyperbole?
I'm the kind of person who can sit through a lot of bad, even if it means seeking distractions on my phone for refuge. I'm also the kind of person who is very selective about what he watches, given I don't have time to watch much TV. Considering both variables, the fact that I found this so bad that I actively turned it off and didn't want to continue suggests that believing it to be the worst episode of television I've seen in years is a perfectly reasonable deduction.
And I have no doubt you're equally quick to point out the absurdity of a lot of the gushing that goes on around here over how each episode is amazing and fantastic and a 9 0r 10, even though that couldn't possible be true by any rational, objective metric.
Fair enough. If it's roughly like the DSC Forum has been, I won't mind.
If we're looking at something that will turn out to be like the ENT Forum, TNZ Forum, and MA Forum of the Early-2000s, where tempers are flared, everyone's flaming each other because they've snapped and finally had it, and moderators are handing out warnings like hotcakes, then I want nothing to do with it. That's not the kind of tempo I go for.
Ok...???
I mean, my comment was meant as tongue in cheek joke with the idea that even though we don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That strikes me as rather odd logic. It's the same logic that assumes that the Enterprise was the only type of ship Starfleet used during that time period.
All that said, the most important part of this MU sequence was Georgiou and Michael's relationship, and how Georgiou had raised her, groomed her, anticipated an eventual betrayal (as shared with Prime Michael in another episode) but Georgiou was still blind to how Michael could actually be feeling about her because Georgiou gave Michael everything.
Having her lower level may have worked from the realistic point of view but pretty much ignores what that would mean to the character, because her relationship with Michael would be so much different.
I think the “Space Hitler” is and understandable, but ultimately inaccurate label. A “Hitler” like label implies not just a ruthless dictator, which she was, but also someone who has a demented capacity to scapegoat segments of the population to build a nationalism around their sacrifice. There’s no real I indication that Georgiou was like that. People were expendable but it seems this is the world she inherited. Whereas Hitler helped to fundamentally create the lie that the Jews were to blame for all of Germany’s woes.
Georgiou was more akin to a ruthless emperor like Julius Caesar of Genghis Khan.
On a side note: I’m a Christian and do believe that everyone is, in fact, redeemable. Not so far fetched an idea to me.
Georgiou was more akin to a ruthless emperor like Julius Caesar of Genghis Khan.
On a side note: I’m a Christian and do believe that everyone is, in fact, redeemable. Not so far fetched an idea to me.
This scene would have been much more interesting to me than what we got.
Same here. And even if redemption is unpalatable in a dramatic sense the Hitler label is just that-a label. It doesn't add anything to the discussion and it ends up in rather absurdist argumentation rather than actually discussing what is being presented on screen.
For what it's worth, I don't take the MU as anything more than a dramatic conceit. It's not supposed to be realistic and treating it as such is a fool's errand. As a dramatic device, it is incredibly effective. In Season 1, Michael has to go through her own personal hell by revisiting the Shenzhou and the captain dying because of her. Then she comes face to face with Georgiou and can't let her die again. That's a lot of character exploration right there. It's magnificent.
Same with Georgiou. Here is this high and mighty emperor, who is able to counter even Lorca's attempts, with no perceived weakness. And yet, she has to go back to the MU and discovered that everything wasn't as she thought.
This is the type of character stuff I want. I get that it isn't for everyone but the MU is an interesting dramatic device that I enjoy.
Phillipa.
In a rather interesting way too. I love the storytelling of this arc, both character and visual. So incredible, especially with the whole sword thing in Part 1.
About other ships in the mu, in the first part of this story, we hear about a fleet of ships being sent to quell an insurrection in the slave systems.
I was surprised that the Emperor did not immediately transfer her command to the Charon. Instead, she spent three months on the Discovery.
I was surprised that the Emperor did not immediately transfer her command to the Charon. Instead, she spent three months on the Discovery.
Maybe it wasn't really quite finished and killing Stamets set back it being battle-ready.
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