Doesn't the TOS/DS9 MU have to be a timeline where Lorca was defeated, though? Or at least didn't hold the throne long enough to implement his policies. I don't think high-ranking Vulcans were part of his vision. If anything, that's more like where the Empress was trying to go in TFpt2.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x10 - "Terra Firma, Part 2"
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Doesn't the TOS/DS9 MU have to be a timeline where Lorca was defeated, though? Or at least didn't hold the throne long enough to implement his policies. I don't think high-ranking Vulcans were part of his vision. If anything, that's more like where the Empress was trying to go in TFpt2.
Mirror Georgiou: If you ever run into a Starfleet officer named James Kirk, tell him to use these advanced martial arts techniques if he ever finds himself on a planet known as Veridian III. (hands Spock a PADD)
Spock:
Mirror Georgiou: Just do it. It will all make sense in time.
(Picard show)
Picard: Hello Jim.
Kirk: Hello Picard. (Shatner turns and winks at the camera).
Spock:
Mirror Georgiou: Just do it. It will all make sense in time.
(Picard show)
Picard: Hello Jim.
Kirk: Hello Picard. (Shatner turns and winks at the camera).
Maybe distance between timelines increases as the parallels break down? The disintegration of the Empire in the MU has no parallel in the Prime timeline.
The implication is that the distance starts increasing in "Mirror, Mirror" because Kirk's about to destroy the Empire. OK, the distance starts increasing before Kirk's actually done anything to that end, but Kirk gonna Kirk, whether he knows how yet or not.
If anybody's responsible it's the GOF, the others didn't even know what he was doing, nor even who he was before he revealed it.
No but considering how sloppy Discovery is it can't be hard for him to find out.
I'll watch a scene of Vance chasing Carl around and shooting at him with a phaser rifle.
Per the ending, it seems like Saru is just going to report her as deceased.
Right because lying to the Admiral totally makes things better. And he'll just find out anyway.
Well, I suppose he could have done what kirk did under similar circumstances and report her as missing.
The way the episode was structured, it made me think Michael lied to Saru and everyone else.
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He's already on thin ice with the Admiral, I believe, for disobeying orders and starting a whole new war with the Emerald Chain and this whole Burn investigation is Vance getting rid of Discovery while the real Starfleeters clean up his mess. He also called them out this episode for using Chain technology that will probably bite them in the future.
Discovery will end up saving the day, probably, but the season will end with Vance fed up with all the rogue behavior from the Discovery crew and probably reassign Saru and/or put one of his own as the Discovery's Captain for Season 4.
Probably, if he finds out. But, falsifying records is old hat at this point.
"She died."
Just like the USS Discovery, NCC-1031-A, is a "new" ship with some retro-styling.
Just like the USS Discovery, NCC-1031-A, is a "new" ship with some retro-styling.
Well, the spore drive is definitely something unheard of, even in the 32nd century.
Trekcore noticed a Tantalus control panel!
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you mean him, not me
Not as bad as I feared. Not great either. And certainly far from the devastating, Trek-ending disaster that whinny assholic Robert Meyer Burnett shouted to the clouds about.
Some thoughts:
And I didn't have an issue with a physical representation for the Guardian, but it made the GoF rather mundane. Also JMS, who is now executor of the Ellison estate, chimed in on the use of the Guardian of Forever: https://twitter.com/straczynski/status/1339490608759521280?s=20
Some thoughts:
- So this entire two-parter was to show how Georgiou had changed. Honestly, it's hard to swallow a storyline where a former fascist, genocidal dictator has been "reformed". Not the best message in this era of extreme right-wing nationalism and fascism. Also, Georgiou is not Londo Mollari... we didn't get to see her fall into darkness then regret her choices then try to correct them. Yes, this is set up for the Section 31 show and I adore Michelle Yeoh... but it's still a huge questionable creative direction, as is a Section 31 show.
- I hope this is the last of the Mirror Universe we see. What more can be mined from this Trek trope now? Move on.
- I enjoyed Sonequa Martin Green really getting into her role as the Mirror Michael. You can tell she was having fun with the part.
- Speaking of Mirror Michael... could they say her name enough? In the scene with Killy and Georgiou, both of them said her full name a ridiculous amount of times! Not to mention how many times they said her full name throughout the episode. Is the show trying to rank for that SEO keyword or what?!
- I didn't have a problem with Carl being the Guardian of Forever. But boy did they cram a lot of last minute exposition into the final moments... kinda like a season 4-7 TNG episode. However, the CGI version looked bad... guess they didn't have the budget to build a practical donut. Although, I did like that the vortex resembled more of how Harlan Ellison describe it in his script.
And I didn't have an issue with a physical representation for the Guardian, but it made the GoF rather mundane. Also JMS, who is now executor of the Ellison estate, chimed in on the use of the Guardian of Forever: https://twitter.com/straczynski/status/1339490608759521280?s=20
- Lastly, I still don't give a shit about the Burn and all the scenes involving that arc were a bit "whatever" for me. Although, I liked seeing Jet Reno again. "I haven't seen you in like a million years." That made me laugh.
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Definitely in my top 10 Trek episodes. I hope they can top it in the next three.
Another great job by the props folks. I love the affection they show for TOS.
in broad strokes...sure.
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