Which version of TOS is canon??
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It was the "My Brother's Keeper" trilogy by Michael Jan Friedman.
It's canon that remastered Spock has creases on his ears where the points join the rest.
ok, then. I wonder why it sounded familiar, in this case: never read those books.
Probably people discussing it in forum threads here
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TOS-R basically updates special effects, and generally in ways that add detail germane to the scenes and without being gratuitous and gaudy (think Star Wars original trilogy and Red Dwarf)
Live footage is only cleaned up of dust and specks and scratches. New effects of little bits of little plantary rock rubble bouncing off the Constellation's hull in Doomsday Machine as a new effect, or how The Enterprise Incident shows a better mix of Klingon and Romulan ship designs, etc, is a nominal detraction at worst.
I prefer TOS-R for the most part because of the nuance and thought put into the scenes they're showing.
That said, as much as "The Immunity Syndrome" does much with showing a planet-size protoplasm blob in space, and they fixed what looked like an f/x insertion issue in the original*, the original just holds up so extremely well. Even when I throw in a cute poke such as this:
* when Enterprise gets close to its surface the effects of the ship inside it looked like footage reuse (like all those reused bridge shots at various times)
The problem was in the way the FX footage had to be combined. As it was explained at the time, live action material with the actors was filmed on 35mm and was no problem to create HD copies decades later. When 35mm footage of the model work and star fields had been composited in layers in the 60s, it came down to the resolution equivalent to 16mm. On our TV screens, we never noticed the changes in clarity. The original 35mm FX components and several of the actual models no longer existed so recreating that footage in digital was the only way to have that footage in HD.
Thanks to Discovery, we now know what the ship really looked like and the uniforms they wore and the technology they had available. TOS and TOS-R were way off.
makes sense.
They also exist on blu-ray in high definition.
Both the original and "Remastered" versions are included on the blu-ray discs. And I watch the originals, myself.
Kor
Yes, and my understanding is that the Blu-ray TOS set also includes both "pilot" and "broadcast" versions of WNM.
Most of what I've watched in my remastered TOS complete series set has been episodes in which I specifically wanted to see the new SFX. Most of which has been impressive, albeit with a few disappointments here and there.
Most of what I've watched in my remastered TOS complete series set has been episodes in which I specifically wanted to see the new SFX. Most of which has been impressive, albeit with a few disappointments here and there.
Umm... you might want to go watch "If Memory Serves"...
The opening sequence was presented in kind of a "meta" way, cutting to AnsonPike with a quizzical expression like he wasn't sure what just happened. So I'm not sure if it's supposed to be understood literally.
Kor
The episode proves that Christopher Pike has a seriously diseased mind, clearly infected by those Talosians digging around in there. He's a danger to himself and the crew.
"If it's onscreen, it's canon" is a misunderstanding. It's not a statement of cause and effect. The canon is the original work as a whole. In the case of Star Trek, the original work is a TV/movie series and is thus onscreen, and the non-canonical derivative works like books and comics are not onscreen. Whereas, by contrast, the Sherlock Holmes canon is in print and any onscreen version is a non-canonical adaptation. And some canons exist in both onscreen and print works, e.g. Avatar/Korra or Firefly/Serenity. "Canon is onscreen" is just a shorthand for clarifying what version of Trek is the canon and which versions are apocrypha. It doesn't mean that being onscreen makes something canonical. Being the original work is what makes something canonical, by definition; and the original work called Star Trek is onscreen.
Also, canon is about story, not imagery. If the same event is shown two different ways, it's still the same event -- for instance, if a scene is re-enacted years later when the actors are visibly older, or with one of the actors recast. Or if a scene from a live-action production is recreated in an in-continuity animated spinoff (as I think has happened in Star Wars a couple of times). What matters narratively is that the event happened, regardless of what it looked like. The visuals are just artistic interpretation, like two different productions of the same play.
Also, canon is about story, not imagery. If the same event is shown two different ways, it's still the same event -- for instance, if a scene is re-enacted years later when the actors are visibly older, or with one of the actors recast. Or if a scene from a live-action production is recreated in an in-continuity animated spinoff (as I think has happened in Star Wars a couple of times). What matters narratively is that the event happened, regardless of what it looked like. The visuals are just artistic interpretation, like two different productions of the same play.
No. ST: D does not overwrite ST: TOS. They are two separate shows with differing continuities.
The ship, uniforms, and tech in ST: TOS are how they're suppose to be in ST: TOS's continuity.
The ship, uniforms, and tech in ST: D are how they're suppose to be in ST: D's continuity.
Both versions may be available on Blu-ray, BUT, some of us don't have a Blu-ray device or the discs for one reason or another. We have to rely on terrestrial TV which only shows the "Remastered" version. So the often touted claim that one can easily choose to watch the non-"Remastered" version if they want to is incorrect.
The only things canon are the Star Service, serogenics, Vulcan was conquered and it's 200 years in the future. Everything else is bunk.
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