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The New Mutants -- news, rumors, opix, etc;

Christopher said:
But if they downplayed it in the actual movie itself, why would you expect them to do otherwise in the promotion for the DVD?
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The people who do the marketing are different from the people who made the actual movie, so I thought there was always a chance they could have decided it would be helpful to sales to make sure people know it was an X-Men movie.
Thinking about it more now, I guess it would probably be the other way around. If the movie itself down played that connection, then they're probably going to avoid it even more in the marketing, since they obviously don't want it to be connected to the other movies in people's minds.
 
Turtletrekker said:
Well...

The X-Men are directly mentioned more than once, and in fact, the kids are led to believe that once their treatment at the hospital is over they will be going to Xavier's institute, though he's not mentioned by name.

The truth of the matter was that the institute was being run by the Essex corporation, which is perfectly in line with how Essex was portrayed in Deadpool 2.
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It's not about whether references were completely absent, just about whether they were played up or played down. Originally, the film was meant to take place during Apocalypse, but the connections were removed. James McAvoy was meant to make a cameo, but they dropped it. And at least half of the references you mention in your spoiler are implicit and indirect. So what's in the final film is a lot more subtle than it could've been, which is the point.
 
I thought this was pretty terrible - partly because it relies too much on comic book knowledge and also because of how cheap it was.
 
Dang, I didn't realize this finally came out digitally until late last night. I'm still bummed out I didn't get to watch this one the big screen, but that ship has sailed and I guess that's happening with most films already completed. :(

Anyways, I really enjoyed it. Aside from some issues with editing, clunky dialogue, and not-so natural flow of storytelling from scene to scene, I thought it was a great (unfortunately) one-off film for the New Mutants. I can't comment on the authenticity of the adaptation since I've never read the comics and only the broad strokes for some of the characters (mostly Magik and Sunspot and references to Essex Corporation), but I was fascinated by each of the main characters, particularly Mirage and Wolfsbane. I do wish the film took more time exploring each of the characters' pasts and what lead to them to where they are now instead the slightly ham-fisted flashbacks and quick exposition dumps. Nonetheless, it's a shame we won't get a sequel and see these characters together again (at least with this excellent cast).

I loved seeing Lockheed, however little we got to see of him. I know this has been addressed before in the thread but how has Lockheed moved on from being Shadowcat's companion to Magik's companion? Granted I mostly know him from the early 90s trading cards and a couple of other places, but I've always associated with Shadowcat.

Even thought I suspected from the beginning that Essex Corporation was involved from behind the scenes, I didn't expect to see footage from Logan make an appearance. That was a nice and unexpected surprise. Makes me all the more disappointed we won't get a sequel.
 
The Nth Doctor said:
. I know this has been addressed before in the thread but how has Lockheed moved on from being Shadowcat's companion to Magik's companion?
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He's been both, mostly Shadowcat's. But since they didn't use him in the X-Men movies, they used him here instead. It's the same kind of mixing and matching and rearranging of comics continuity that's been going on since the beginning of the X-Men film series -- remember how the original film put Cyclops, Jean, and Storm in the adult generation of X-Men and Iceman in the teen generation alongside Rogue, Kitty, Jubilee, etc., with later films scrambling things even more, e.g. making Havok decades older than Cyclops and making Mystique a childhood friend of Xavier.


FormerLurker said:
Is this Essex Corporation by any chance Nathaniel Essex/Mister Sinister?
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That's the intended implication, yes.
 
Christopher said:
He's been both, mostly Shadowcat's. But since they didn't use him in the X-Men movies, they used him here instead. It's the same kind of mixing and matching and rearranging of comics continuity that's been going on since the beginning of the X-Men film series -- remember how the original film put Cyclops, Jean, and Storm in the adult generation of X-Men and Iceman in the teen generation alongside Rogue, Kitty, Jubilee, etc., with later films scrambling things even more, e.g. making Havok decades older than Cyclops and making Mystique a childhood friend of Xavier.
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Thank you for clearing that up. I knew there had been mixing and matching in the previous films so I wasn't sure if that was the case here, especially since Lockheed did seem like a natural fit for Magik, at least within the confines of this film.
 
You should generally assume that changing things from the comics is the rule in movies rather than the exception, since comics continuity is very convoluted and haphazard and very, very vast, so movies tend to distill the most interesting or useful bits and put them together (ideally) more cohesively. The only exceptions are adaptations of specific single works like Watchmen or Scott Pilgrim vs. the World, and even there, some liberties are bound to be taken in the translation from page to screen.
 
The Nth Doctor said:
Even thought I suspected from the beginning that Essex Corporation was involved from behind the scenes, I didn't expect to see footage from Logan make an appearance. That was a nice and unexpected surprise. Makes me all the more disappointed we won't get a sequel.
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What footage was from Logan? I actually haven't seen it yet as I was in fact waiting to see this movie first before watching it so that Logan could be my last Fox-Men movie.
 
Turtletrekker said:
What footage was from Logan? I actually haven't seen it yet as I was in fact waiting to see this movie first before watching it so that Logan could be my last Fox-Men movie.
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It's secretly recorded footage from a cell phone that's delivered to Logan to show the horrors of the Essex Corporation, which is seen by Dani during one of her "tests."
 
OK, well I thought it was decent enough. Could have done with another 20 mins or so for suspense and character building, but for a mid-budget low stakes teen character focused piece with light horror/adventure elements (the Buffy clips were very apropos in that regard), I'd call it a successful execution. Way better than Dark Phoenix was, so at least the Fox/20thC franchise doesn't end on a total wet fart.
Pretty wild that between this, Logan and the Deadpool movies, the high points of the latter years of the franchise were actually the spinoffs!
Turtletrekker said:
What footage was from Logan? I actually haven't seen it yet as I was in fact waiting to see this movie first before watching it so that Logan could be my last Fox-Men movie.
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What are you nuts? Go watch Logan this instant! In fact, I may watch the Noir Edition tonight!
 
The Nth Doctor said:
It's secretly recorded footage from a cell phone that's delivered to Logan to show the horrors of the Essex Corporation, which is seen by Dani during one of her "tests."
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So takes place after Logan then?
I had been wondering if that might end up being the case since they first started talking about what the story was going to be.
It's kind of shame that after the possible set up in Apocalypse and this that we'll never get to see their version of Sinister.
 
JD said:
So takes place after Logan then?
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From what I've read, the movie's setting comes off more like the 1990s. Also, the characters talk about the X-Men as an active concern, not a long-defunct team. So I think the stock footage isn't necessarily meant to be literally the same thing it was in Logan; like a lot of stock footage, it could be repurposed to represent something else. Or maybe it's a vision of the future.
 
JD said:
So takes place after Logan then?
I had been wondering if that might end up being the case since they first started talking about what the story was going to be.
It's kind of shame that after the possible set up in Apocalypse and this that we'll never get to see their version of Sinister.
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I think it's fairly ambiguous. Indeed, the whole movie has almost a timeless quality to it in that aside from the doctor having a mobile phone, there's no really overt clues as to when it takes place. Could be now, could be a decade ago, could be in the dystopian Logan future. Using the Logan footage could have been less of a continuity thing and more of a budget thing. Easier to just use what they already when it looks generic enough than have than shoot basically the same thing with second unit plus VFX. Or it could literally have been the same incidents. In point of fact, I think one of the shots features Laura, but you can't quit see her face.
 
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Fantastic! I'm very happy they've managed to achieve some success after the long road the production went through.

...but fuck that news article for playing up The New Mutants' so-called "theatrical box office flop" when it was released during a fucking global pandemic, which they don't even bother to mention. :rolleyes:
 
Yeah, after all the time they spent on it, it deserves to get at least some recognition.
 
Anybody heard any rumors yet about when this might pop up on Disney+ or Huly?
 
JD said:
Anybody heard any rumors yet about when this might pop up on Disney+ or Huly?
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From what I heard it actually has to go to HBO Max, for a while at least, as part of the deal Fox had with them for X-Men movies before Disney bought FOX
 
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