Haven't seen those movies in a while. I remember the destruction ofc, but could have sworn the refitted ship introduced in TMP already had the "A" and that the new one from TVH simply got the same designation.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x06 - "Scavengers"
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Haven't seen those movies in a while. I remember the destruction ofc, but could have sworn the refitted ship introduced in TMP already had the "A" and that the new one from TVH simply got the same designation.
Nope. The "A" definitely didn't come about til TVH.
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The Burn was caused by Michael "Boring" Burnham mother (the other "Boring" Burnham) when she reentered to the continuous space-time in wrong place. Probably it will be something like this. So, when Michael and Disco arrives at that time period (I think it will happens earlier or later), CBS could make us a favor and put an end to both "always Boring and Crying" Burnham characters.
So certain are you?
Good grief, some people actually like Burnham. It would be nice to keep her, please and thank you.
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Grow up.
Might also be why they appeared a year after Burnham. Yeah, that would suck if they were the ones inadvertently responsible for destroying the Federation and causing the deaths of millions (possibly billions) of lives from all the dilithium going >foom<.
A dramatic turn of events, if true, but also quite cruel. That's likely to put Detmer and anyone else even remotely suffering from the mildest form of PTSD completely over the edge.
A dramatic turn of events, if true, but also quite cruel. That's likely to put Detmer and anyone else even remotely suffering from the mildest form of PTSD completely over the edge.
Good catch, but it definitely wasn't because of that Short Trek.
That doesn't explain that mysterious melody that no one on Discovery has heard of before.
That they are probably going to use more. Or not. The prosthesis used for Nero and crew took a lot of time to construct and had to be destroyed after one day of work. So, part for the course.
To be honest, this one felt a bit lopsided. The A-plot with Hunhau felt very formulaic and predictable, and the episode's most valuable moments came from the interspersed character moments and finally, the consequences of Burnham's unauthorized mission. Right at the beginning, where Burnham said "yes, Sir" to Saru after he ordered her to stay, it was obvious she was going, even before she asked Georgiou for help. It felt a bit like a late-season Game of Thrones episode where the writers knew they had to get Book back on the ship and Burnham reinstated as a science officer, but the execution ultimately fell flat. Nevertheless, having Georgiou taking the reins served the story very well, and she seemed to be pretty much in her element outside the Kovich-induced flashbacks that kept incapacitating her. I just hope it's not some stupid "look, we cured your evil" thing.
Once again, we're in a situation where both sides have a point. Michael's timing, however, is still dead wrong as she once again made a highly emotional decision. She could've just waited for twelve hours (it wouldn't have changed Book's situation a bit) and then request a personal leave when there wasn't any urgency. Sisko was quite lenient in letting various crew members do just that, after all, and it's no surprise she was sternly reprimanded, something way overdue since her dangerous gamble in People of Earth. Vance was very reasonable in letting Saru handle the matter and made some good points about her getting valuable intel and freeing slaves, which is probably the only reason why she wasn't demoted too.
I was glad that they placed so much focus on Saru distrusting Burnham after what she did. This whole arc felt quite like the old "why do they treat Ripper like a pack animal?" or "why did they make Spock a murderer?" fiascoes from the previous seasons. We really need to stop treating every single plotline left hanging as a plot hole just because they didn't resolve it within one episode. This isn't the Berman era anymore.
One of the biggest surprises for me was Saru's scene with Tilly, actually. Her advice to him about going straight to Vance firmly set her in her position as the emotional heart of the crew. Michael might be one of the people she loves most in the entire universe (that's probably as good as it gets... I need more Mylvia content, dammit!), but she has to look out for all of her friends and wants the best for the entire crew and right now that depends on Future Starfleet trusting them. That's Captain Tilly for ya. And of course I enormously enjoyed Saru being so angry at Burnham that he didn't even scold Tilly for saying "Oh shit," and actually concurred instead.
Speaking of Tilly, her scene with Grudge was absolutely lovely, I grinned like an idiot throughout, right from her freezing in the door with a face that said "why is my room meowing?". As someone who's had four cats in his childhood home, I know exactly how annoying it is when they lie under the bed and just refuse to leave. And of course the whole idea of Burnham just leaving Grudge with her without a word... instant funny, I loved it. We finally had some real quality cat content today, especially with Grudge hailing Discovery
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Once again, we're in a situation where both sides have a point. Michael's timing, however, is still dead wrong as she once again made a highly emotional decision. She could've just waited for twelve hours (it wouldn't have changed Book's situation a bit) and then request a personal leave when there wasn't any urgency. Sisko was quite lenient in letting various crew members do just that, after all, and it's no surprise she was sternly reprimanded, something way overdue since her dangerous gamble in People of Earth. Vance was very reasonable in letting Saru handle the matter and made some good points about her getting valuable intel and freeing slaves, which is probably the only reason why she wasn't demoted too.
I was glad that they placed so much focus on Saru distrusting Burnham after what she did. This whole arc felt quite like the old "why do they treat Ripper like a pack animal?" or "why did they make Spock a murderer?" fiascoes from the previous seasons. We really need to stop treating every single plotline left hanging as a plot hole just because they didn't resolve it within one episode. This isn't the Berman era anymore.
One of the biggest surprises for me was Saru's scene with Tilly, actually. Her advice to him about going straight to Vance firmly set her in her position as the emotional heart of the crew. Michael might be one of the people she loves most in the entire universe (that's probably as good as it gets... I need more Mylvia content, dammit!), but she has to look out for all of her friends and wants the best for the entire crew and right now that depends on Future Starfleet trusting them. That's Captain Tilly for ya. And of course I enormously enjoyed Saru being so angry at Burnham that he didn't even scold Tilly for saying "Oh shit," and actually concurred instead.
Speaking of Tilly, her scene with Grudge was absolutely lovely, I grinned like an idiot throughout, right from her freezing in the door with a face that said "why is my room meowing?". As someone who's had four cats in his childhood home, I know exactly how annoying it is when they lie under the bed and just refuse to leave. And of course the whole idea of Burnham just leaving Grudge with her without a word... instant funny, I loved it. We finally had some real quality cat content today, especially with Grudge hailing Discovery
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- If it weren't for the Orions, one could be forgiven for thinking this was something straight out of DS9. The junkyard had definite Cardassian vibes with the various smelters reminiscent of Terok Nor. Also, the perimeter fence reminded me of the POW camp on Cardassia IV from Homecoming.
- Linus, oh Linus. He was a cheap but highly rewarding source of laughs throughout the episode with his constant transporter accidents. I especially loved how Stamets wasn't even surprised, just annoyed. And of course the rules of comedy demanded he'd ruin the big romantic moment at the end.
- Some glorious one-liners this week. "You had me at unsanctioned mission.", "Your emotional spectrum runs from cranky to homicidal.", "I didn't love here" (oops), and of course Stamets' self-aggrandizing "Including me, and I've imagined more than most" at the end.
- I also liked Stamets' mini-plot with Adira a lot, especially how understanding he was about Gray sticking around, and Hugh pointing it out that he sees himself in Adira.
I´m not so certain. But Michael always think she is. And she is always crying too. It´s boring and to much repetitive.
Also, many other characters have more charisma than Michael.
Michael is who needs to grow. She looks like a child so many times.
There are ways to make the character way better.
Very true. That is an angle that I think nobody was expecting. I do hope they explore it further.
If there were a connection, my guess is there would be some kind of higher-order being that "lives" inside and across space-time (remind us of someone? Bajoran Prophets or maybe the Pah-Wraiths?). The anomaly Discovery bumped into in the time vortex was this being. As it was said early on, all the active dilithium exploding a hundred-some-odd years before Burnham's and Disco's arrival may have been the reaction of this thing from its unexpected collision with Discovery in its natural environment during transit, earlier in the linear timeline as they were moving on their way forward. The temporal being(s) perhaps broad-beam broadcasted this song into the collective subconscious of all intelligent life (their version of "HEY!! I'm WALKING here!!!
") that we will find out is the lullaby that Sisko's Prophet-mom used to sing to him when he was very young.And I completely pulled all of that out of my ass!
How dare people have emotions.
Ok...I'm glad for those other characters. I like Michael and want to watch Michael and value her emotional expression.
Mileage will vary but it's ridiculous to say it's a favor to us she is gone from the show.
I rationalize that Michael's emotions are all over the place because she was indoctrinated into a Vulcan lifestyle that humans aren't supposed to have. I mentioned elsewhere the way she deals with emotions now is like a kid denied the opportunity to play with super soaker toys suddenly being given a phaser rifle. Burnham kept a Vulcan like demeanor on the Shenzhou, but once the Battle of the Binary Stars happened she suddenly had to deal with emotions in ways that she never learned how to due to Vulcan conditioning
Yes, they have. But in real life we call persons like her boring. This is the trouble with the character.
Look at Saru, Georgiou, Staments... Surelly they have more charisma too.
Indeed, yes. Largely because she suppressed what had gone on with her parents and the Klingon attack. And then that trauma came roaring back. And, yes, she has to deal with them in a way she never did before. And she is still in the process of learning what it means to cope with these emotions after being taught that emotions are not to be expressed.
It takes its toll on a person.
I do not.
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