Poll Is this 32nd century a keeper?

[fireproof78]

I'm fine with limiting the scope of time travel "Calamity Solving" to solving "Calamities of their time" on their watch.

Not going back in time to mess with historical events that they might not have the full scope of. And there are some points in time that are critical to getting the UFP to where it was, including bad things.

Eugenics Wars & WW3 were necessary to get Zefram Cochrane to the point in his time to develop Warp Travel.

So messing about the Eugenics Wars & WW3 might not be a wise idea.

They don't know the scope of the Burn either, so does that apply? And what about the Dominion War? Again, this is a huge charge to call people "moral cowards" for not addressing things that cost lives in their time when they have access to time travel.

 

[Sci]

That’s what I mean, they are not going back to 23rd century. But they can back 120 years, fix The Burn and stay in 30th century. So they’ll still be in the “Future”, but a nice and fuzzy Future.

I have a feeling that Burnham & Discovery will travel back in time and fix "The Burn" some how.

Prevent Dilithium from going Inert and causing all StarFleet ships to go boom, and prevent the Dilithium from ever running out somehow with some form of Synthetic manufacturing of Dilithium.

You two are the kind of guys who play video games with god mode on, aren't you?

 

[fireproof78]

You two are the kind of guys who play video games with god mode on, aren't you?

I just reload multiple saves until I get the outcome I want

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

They don't know the scope of the Burn either, so does that apply?

Michael Burnham seems to have made "Solving 'The Burn'" her primary goal of this season and everything else is just a method to get to that point.

And what about the Dominion War?

Michael Burnham was in no way shape or form involved in it or knows about it until she reads up on the history of it. Even then, the folks of the 24th century made a deliberate decision to mine the Wormhole to prevent re-inforcements, so it's a deliberate decision by the UFP / StarFleet to prevent a absolute loss against a innumerable amount of Dominion Forces.

Again, this is a huge charge to call people "moral cowards" for not addressing things that cost lives in their time when they have access to time travel.

Sisko & most of the 24th century didn't have access to Time Travel tech.

And I'm pretty sure the SlingShot Effect AKA Light-Speed Breakaway factor formula is a closely guarded secret that only members of the DTI really know and general StarFleet isn't allowed to use it or know about it.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

You two are the kind of guys who play video games with god mode on, aren't you?

I prefer reloading previous saves or save states.

God Mode is only on after I'm done with the game and want to dork around.

I just reload multiple saves until I get the outcome I want

=D
That's the way I like to play.

The power of Controlled Time Looping =D

 

[fireproof78]

Michael Burnham seems to have made "Solving 'The Burn'" her primary goal of this season and everything else is just a method to get to that point.

Michael Burnham was in no way shape or form involved in it or knows about it until she reads up on the history of it. Even then, the folks of the 24th century made a deliberate decision to mine the Wormhole to prevent re-inforcements, so it's a deliberate decision by the UFP / StarFleet to prevent a absolute loss against a innumerable amount of Dominion Forces.

Sisko & most of the 24th century didn't have access to Time Travel tech.

And I'm pretty sure the SlingShot Effect AKA Light-Speed Breakaway factor formula is a closely guarded secret that only members of the DTI really know and general StarFleet isn't allowed to use it or know about it.

Still moral cowardice by definition. They are doing nothing to save these lives!

 

[Christopher]

Writers state things all the times. Sometimes they stick to what they wrote, sometimes it ends being a red herring

Yes, but they have reasons for choosing one or the other, and those reasons are discernible to those in the same profession. If a doctor told me there was a reason that another doctor chose one treatment over another, I would trust that they knew what they were talking about, even if I couldn't see the difference myself.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Still moral cowardice by definition. They are doing nothing to save these lives!

Give Michael Burnham an infinite life-span somehow, and I'm sure she'll solve all of StarFleet/UFP's problems single handedly through time travel.

It'll become the Michael Burnham show, she'll be the the literal re-embodiment of Jesus Christ and save everybody throughout time & space.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Still moral cowardice by definition. They are doing nothing to save these lives!

It's only Moral Cowardice if you have the tech to do it, know about it, know how to solve the problem, and refuse to use it.

I'm sure the Temporal Prime Directive + DTI (Department of Temporal Investigations) have rules & regulations for StarFleet Officers on when they can/can't use Time Travel.

Hmm there might be be even a entire Novel Series about this whole DTI that Christopher has wrote about!

But anyways, we've seen that the 29th century has sent officers into the past to solve large calamities before when Voyager got sent to the past because of the Aeon.

Don't forget about Admiral Janeway changing the past by time-traveling and destroying the Borg Transwarp Network, yet nobody from the 29th century went back in time to prevent that from happening.

In fact, they let that instance of Time Travel stay and refuse to revert it.

 

[fireproof78]

It's only Moral Cowardice if you have the tech to do it, know about it, know how to solve the problem, and refuse to use it.

Sounds like most of Starfleet personnel then.

 

[Cyrus]

I certainly hope that a time travel reset doesn't happen. And so far I don't get any indication of that. They are trying to find out what caused the burn in order to prevent that from happening again, and recreate the Federation by reestablishing safe warp travel. Recreating Federation via time travel reset is a terrible idea.

"But they don't need to tie "Calypso" in!" You really believe they won't? They will. Even if how I think they'll do it is wrong, I don't think I'm wrong in saying they'll tie the two together in some way.

These are the same people that felt they had to explain why Spock never talked about his sister. Of course they will try to tie Discovery and Calypso.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Sounds like most of Starfleet personnel then.

Most of StarFleet doesn't know about the Light-Speed BreakAway factor formula.
I'm pretty sure it's locked up behind DTI walls.

So I don't fault 24th century StarFleet or parts of StarFleet that doesn't know about the formula.

 

[fireproof78]

Most of StarFleet doesn't know about the Light-Speed BreakAway factor formula.
I'm pretty sure it's locked up behind DTI walls.

So I don't fault 24th century StarFleet or parts of StarFleet that doesn't know about the formula.

Then the DTI is guilty.

Regardless, it's clear that time travel is available to someone and they are not saving anyone. Cowards.

That is the logical conclusion to this discussion.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Then the DTI is guilty.

Regardless, it's clear that time travel is available to someone and they are not saving anyone. Cowards.

That is the logical conclusion to this discussion.

I'm fine with that. DTI has their reasonings for not using Time Travel willy nilly.

I'm more prone to using it ala "Legends of Tomorrow" Time Traveling shennanigans.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm fine with that. DTI has their reasonings for not using Time Travel willy nilly.

I'm more prone to using it ala "Legends of Tomorrow" Time Traveling shennanigans.

So, you're fine with them being moral cowards?

And, I'm not familiar with Legends of Tomorrow. Care to summarize?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

So, you're fine with them being moral cowards?

Yeah, DTI has their own reasonings for not using Time travel Willy Nilly, and if that's their justification, so be it.

DC's Legends of Tomorrow is about a rag tag group of DC Comics Super Heroes who travel around time and try to fix issues that occur along the time stream. The way they go about it isn't always perfect, but they try to make things better.

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah, DTI has their own reasonings for not using Time travel Willy Nilly, and if that's their justification, so be it.

DC's Legends of Tomorrow is about a rag tag group of DC Comics Super Heroes who travel around time and try to fix issues that occur along the time stream. The way they go about it isn't always perfect, but they try to make things better.

The tolerance for moral cowardice is quite surprising.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The tolerance for moral cowardice is quite surprising.

Look at the "Prime Directive", if StarFleet could involve themselves in the internal affairs of others for good, but that keeps their hands tied for many reasons, good and bad. Long term effects are one of those.

 

[Jon holder]

So far I really enjoy this time. Obviously there are some great disappointment. For most being that earth it’s no longer a federation planet considering it was the founding member. But then again I am just speaking from my biased as an earthling

 

[fireproof78]

Look at the "Prime Directive", if StarFleet could involve themselves in the internal affairs of others for good, but that keeps their hands tied for many reasons, good and bad. Long term effects are one of those.

I was not aware that moral cowardice was considered a virtue?

I think DTI or S31 would go and try to change at least some things.