News Superman & Lois Ordered to Series at The CW

[theenglish]

I would say all of those are options.

I think they are all options as well--I am thinking that this will be closely linked to the Supergirl series than if it were some random DC show created from scratch. I am looking forward to seeing how it will be integrated into the mythos that have been previously established.

 

[The Realist]

I think they are all options as well--I am thinking that this will be closely linked to the Supergirl series than if it were some random DC show created from scratch. I am looking forward to seeing how it will be integrated into the mythos that have been previously established.

"Crisis" is a potential complicating factor, however. Much of Supergirl, the series, probably didn't happen exactly the way we saw and remember it on this new Earth-Prime -- though with their memories restored by J'onn, Clark and Kara (and probably Lois?) will remember it the way we do. But for the world at large, Superman's history with Lex, for example, will be completely different than what was established on pre-Crisis Supergirl.

Of course, the Arrowverse writers haven't exactly been rigorous, or even consistent, in dealing with the ramifications of "Crisis," so who knows what we'll actually see when the show finally premieres.

 

[David cgc]

They should definitely bring back Tom Lennon's Mr Mxyzptlk.

Now that they've established he doesn't mind changing his appearance, they can still have Gilbert Gottfried do it.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Yeah, I had heard the spoiler rumor. I'm just happy to hear we'll know if it's true or not by the end of the first episode, so we won't have to sit around until the season or mid-season finale to learn if it is true.
Personally, I'd say that would be the best and easiest way to handle all of those character. They've already changed the baby to two teenagers, so they might as well just stick with that method.

..and with no announced time jump, babies magically turned into teens just tosses this series' continuity with any other Arrowverse series into the winds. Why they needed to age the children is a question--unless the showrunners want to dive into typical CW teen drama sub-plots.

 

[T'Bonz]

When a mod and an admin tell you to take your politics to where it belongs (as in NOT HERE), it's advisable to listen.

Or you'll feel the Romulan boot on your ass such as Kirk Prime just did.

Maybe he'll be back. Maybe not...

Carry on...

 

[theenglish]

..and with no announced time jump, babies magically turned into teens just tosses this series' continuity with any other Arrowverse series into the winds. Why they needed to age the children is a question--unless the showrunners want to dive into typical CW teen drama sub-plots.

Those are all good points. I'm hoping that with the long break we've had that the producers can get their heads wrapped around the aftermath of COIE and start making sense of it all. The way I look at the effects of a reality warping crisis though, is to treat everything as if it happened in some form until evidence emerges that contradicts it.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Those are all good points. I'm hoping that with the long break we've had that the producers can get their heads wrapped around the aftermath of COIE and start making sense of it all. The way I look at the effects of a reality warping crisis though, is to treat everything as if it happened in some form until evidence emerges that contradicts it.

Other than characters just ignoring parts of COIE's dialogue about the children (aka showrunner hand waving) trying to explain the age-jump may be an impossibility. Too many characters were present when the children were mentioned. The shows would have been better off following the Avengers: Endgame model and jumping several years after last season, but some shows had unresolved plots, so even that is not an option.

One avenue I hope is explored is one of the kids becoming a costumed hero, and how that weighs on the parents. Unlike Supergirl's first season Kara--who had to learn the ropes of being Supergirl but could (in time) manage the responsibility because of her adult mind, one of the Kent teens trying to follow in their father's footsteps should lead to a serious set of mistakes, or draw the kind of unfriendly attention that could be one of the season arcs leading to...?

 

[The Realist]

I suspect all the Arrowverse characters who matter had (or will have) their memories of the pre-Crisis multiverse restored by J’onn, so they will understand Jon’s age jump (as well as the fact of Jordan’s existence at all) the same way we do: as a result of the creation of Earth-Prime in “Crisis.”

What’s interesting is what it suggests about Clark and Lois’s relationship in this new reality compared to the original. They must have gotten together, and become physically intimate at least (and likely married), at a much younger age than is shown/implied in their Earth-38 timeline.

 

[The Realist]

Bitsie Tulloch posted this on her Twitter. I'm going to guess the show's other shooting stages have similar signage (the George stages, the Christopher stages, etc.). So cool that this series is going in with such awareness and appreciation of the character's storied screen legacy.

(And dunno how many stages they have, but Noel, Phyllis, Margot, et al., stages would be appropriate and awesome, also.)

 

[JulieYBM]

I suspect all the Arrowverse characters who matter had (or will have) their memories of the pre-Crisis multiverse restored by J’onn, so they will understand Jon’s age jump (as well as the fact of Jordan’s existence at all) the same way we do: as a result of the creation of Earth-Prime in “Crisis.”

What’s interesting is what it suggests about Clark and Lois’s relationship in this new reality compared to the original. They must have gotten together, and become physically intimate at least (and likely married), at a much younger age than is shown/implied in their Earth-38 timeline.

Yeah, they probably got together in their early twenties. Definitely a good move for the story.

 

[JD]

This isn't actually about this Superman show, but this doesn't really need it's own thread.
I had the old George Reeves show on this morning for a few minutes and it reminded me of something that's always confused me. Clark and Lois call Perry "Chief" all the time and he has no problem with it, but every time Jimmy calls him that he get pissed. I've never understood why it was OK for Lois and Clark to call him that, but not Jimmy.

 

[Ovation]

This isn't actually about this Superman show, but this doesn't really need it's own thread.
I had the old George Reeves show on this morning for a few minutes and it reminded me of something that's always confused me. Clark and Lois call Perry "Chief" all the time and he has no problem with it, but every time Jimmy calls him that he get pissed. I've never understood why it was OK for Lois and Clark to call him that, but not Jimmy.

I always viewed it as he hadn’t earned the privilege.

 

[Christopher]

I had the old George Reeves show on this morning for a few minutes and it reminded me of something that's always confused me. Clark and Lois call Perry "Chief" all the time and he has no problem with it, but every time Jimmy calls him that he get pissed. I've never understood why it was OK for Lois and Clark to call him that, but not Jimmy.

Because Lois and Clark are his star reporters and mature adults, while Jimmy is a cub reporter and (theoretically) a teenager? They've earned a level of familiarity that he hasn't.

 

[The Realist]

I had the old George Reeves show on this morning

Lucky you. That show is such a pure pleasure.

I always viewed it as he hadn’t earned the privilege.

It's a question I never thought to ask, but this is a solid answer.

 

[JD]

I always viewed it as he hadn’t earned the privilege.

Because Lois and Clark are his star reporters and mature adults, while Jimmy is a cub reporter and (theoretically) a teenager? They've earned a level of familiarity that he hasn't.

I guess it makes sense when you put it that way.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I always viewed it as he hadn’t earned the privilege.

This.

 

[Samurai8472]

The dismissed staffer also reveals Martha Kent had to be recast. The team had pitched for Johnathan and Martha to be a different race, their logic was that his adoptive parents could have been anyone. They were ignored.

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a34727669/superman-and-lois-diversity-calls-ignored/

 

[JulieYBM]

The dismissed staffer also reveals Martha Kent had to be recast. The team had pitched for Johnathan and Martha to be a different race, their logic was that his adoptive parents could have been anyone. They were ignored.

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a34727669/superman-and-lois-diversity-calls-ignored/

That sucks a lot. I'd have loved to see the Kents be people of color, it would have added a nice new dimension and showed a world where marginalized people got to be more than just figures for white saviors to save.

 

[JD]

Yeah, that is a shame, I would have no problem with the Kents not being white.
If all the stuff she's saying is true, then this is all looking especially bad since the show's on The CW, and their big thing is how they embrace diversity.

 

[The Realist]

In most versions of the Superman story -- at least most modern versions -- the Kents pass Clark off as their biological son, so this would represent a narrative change from that perspective. OTOH, I don't know that it would make any meaningful difference if they openly acknowledged Clark as adopted, so why not?