And yet we scrapped supersonic passenger flight because no-one who could afford it wanted it enough.
Rather spend 8 hours getting tanked on champagne and tossed off by the air hostesses.
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And yet we scrapped supersonic passenger flight because no-one who could afford it wanted it enough.
Rather spend 8 hours getting tanked on champagne and tossed off by the air hostesses.
Aren't they talking about re-instating the Concorde? I could swear I read something the other day.
So let me get this straight: Kirk's Enterprise could eject its core, Janeway's Voyager could eject its core, the Enterprise E could eject its core... But... for some mysterious reason... the Enterprise D COULDN'T... because if it could, it would have been far faster, safer, and more efficient than moving all the passengers to the Saucer section and then effectuate a separation... Don't you think?
Er...um...well...
Maybe Geordie just wanted to get rid of the bloody thing. All those engineering defects...
It can't be ejected in every situation. With those ruptures and leaks, it was probably too risky to eject it and lose the saucer as well.
Since when?
Was there any reason to turn Kronos into "Qo'nos", especially considering Vulcan is still Vulcan?
They did eject the core to avoid being pulled inside a (forming) black hole.
It's the Klingon spelling. Kahless is qeylIS, bat'leth is betleH, etc.
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But that is in the 2009 timeline, right? Ships seem a lot more advanced there. Could the original (TOS) Enterprise of Kirk do it?
Bringing this up because the TNG Enterprise D would be a descendant of that vessel, not the 2009 one.
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So you're saying that the destruction of the Kelvin somehow triggered in the federation a giant technological leap of more than a century*?
Not likely.
*Kirk's first ship and the Enterprise D are more than a hundred years apart.
It was kind of always the implication that the Kelvin timeline was more advanced - that's why the Enterprise is so much more massive there. And why it looks like a Steve Jobs design.
Logically, there's plenty of holes to be found in the idea, but nothing even remotely as big as the idea that child genius Pavel Chekov is the same person we saw on TOS, so that's just the suspension of disbelief required for those films.
An ejectable warp core might not necessarily constitute a technological leap of a century. After all, making the warp core ejectable in itself doesn't sound like a particularly high tech thing to do. If I recall correctly, early TNG tried to establish how extraordinarily rare critical ship failures were and how incredibly safe almost all technologies were ('but malfunction x hasn't happened on a Federation ship in over y years, Sir!" ) - which of course was then rendered invalid whenever the writers needed yet another plot for a new episode ...
It might therefore simply have been that in the original timeline the idea to make the warp core ejectable might never even have occurred to anyone before the 2370's or so- although I'll agree that ejecting the warp core sounds like a rather basic safety measure that someone would come up with rather sooner than later. I'm sure there are some ideas from the last 100 years that someone could have come up with a century earlier, only they just didn't. (The real cause of course is that no-one in OUR timeline ever thought of this, or could find a way to make it practical on screen before the late 1990's . ) Or it might have been that the ships being much bigger in the Kelvin timeline meant they needed more powerful, but therefore more vulnerable and less stable warp cores so that warp core incidents were a lot more common in this new timeline, triggering the 'invention' of ejectable warp cores a lot sooner.
I'm sure more explanations can be thought of (but I'm not going to do it right now
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It might therefore simply have been that in the original timeline the idea to make the warp core ejectable might never even have occurred to anyone before the 2370's or so- although I'll agree that ejecting the warp core sounds like a rather basic safety measure that someone would come up with rather sooner than later. I'm sure there are some ideas from the last 100 years that someone could have come up with a century earlier, only they just didn't. (The real cause of course is that no-one in OUR timeline ever thought of this, or could find a way to make it practical on screen before the late 1990's . ) Or it might have been that the ships being much bigger in the Kelvin timeline meant they needed more powerful, but therefore more vulnerable and less stable warp cores so that warp core incidents were a lot more common in this new timeline, triggering the 'invention' of ejectable warp cores a lot sooner.
I'm sure more explanations can be thought of (but I'm not going to do it right now
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The idea was that the destruction of the Kelvin by a massive, overpowered ship prompted a Starfleet "arms race" project in much the same way the Borg encounter led to ships like the Defiant and other more militarized vessels like the E-E or the Prometheus. The culmination of this being the Vengeance.
Anyhoo, the subject is moot - the Enterprise-D takes a clear hit right to the engineering section immediately before Geordi says "that last hit" would cause a core breach - the notion that the hit also disabled the ejection mechanism is not a stretch unless you're deliberately out to find fault.
Anyhoo, the subject is moot - the Enterprise-D takes a clear hit right to the engineering section immediately before Geordi says "that last hit" would cause a core breach - the notion that the hit also disabled the ejection mechanism is not a stretch unless you're deliberately out to find fault.
The Kelvin-Enterprise is 15 years newer technology than the TOS-Enterprise (plus whatever new technological advancements were pursued since 2233).
As for "ejectable" warp core in the TOS-Enterprise, Scotty hints something similar in That Which Survives, but special rigging was needed, i.e. not on demand.
As for "ejectable" warp core in the TOS-Enterprise, Scotty hints something similar in That Which Survives, but special rigging was needed, i.e. not on demand.
more likely the "kelvin universe" was already more advanced than the classic trek universe prior to the arrival of nero.
I don't think so. Before Nero the two universes were identical.
I don't think that's the case (being identical), but that's my take.
I've considered that the arrival of the Narada was what created the Abrams-universe. Basically created it out of "whole cloth" Prior to the Narada'a appearance the Abrams-universe had no existance, after arrival there was a complete future and past.
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