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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens

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Mytran said:
Axanar has released a better quality version of their latest trailer
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Reading some of the YouTube comments baffles me.
Continuing on with our conversations about what attracts new fans to the Axanar project, these commenters are praising the content of this very trailer - when there's virtually nothing of substance there! Certainly nothing to suggest what the "true vision" of Axanar is, yet the commenters keep extolling those virtues as "true Trek"
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Well, I'll give them this much: at least the interviewees here are actually showing some emotion. It's gushing fanboy/fangirl emotion, but still...

carlosp said:
AxaMonitor Daily

Peters Offers 'Generous' Settlement in Suit Against Ex-Axanar Director Jenkins
What does Alec Peters hope to gain?

Here are the headlines in today's AxaMonitor Daily:
  • Lawyer weighs in on how good Peters' settlement may be
  • Will the new Axanar 'trailer' breathe life into moribund fundraiser?
  • Peters: Fan film guidelines have been neutered; no one's following them
  • Peters questions 'Romulan War' fan film's reusing others' copyrighted footage
  • YouTuber casts doubt on Axanar fans' victim narrative
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If I were Jenkins, I believe my response would be...hmmm...what's legalese for "FUCK No!"?

"Nothingburger of a settlement" indeed, and I love how part of it requires Jenkins to throw his source to the wolves. :rolleyes: Really, Alec? The guy you're suing should do your internal security apparatus's work for them? And I'm always amazed that Alec keeps hiring lawyers when he usually struts around like he's doing all the legal work himself - and thus fulfilling the old adage of having a fool for a client. Now that's just his lawyer's problem.

As for the thing about the guidelines being universally ignored, it's pretty much the same thing as saying there was a "fan film arms race." It's Alec and his cheerleaders saying, "Don't look at Axanar! Everybody's doing it!" Even if it's true, it doesn't matter. Alec was not given "guidelines." He was given strict limits concerning what he could and could not do to produce Axanar in a binding legal settlement, and thanks to Jenkins making the settlement a matter of public record we know he's thumbing his nose at it, and has been for ages.

rabid bat said:
I suspect, for them, true Trek (tm) is skin deep. White people. Ships that resemble the familiar. Pew pew. Men are men and women are there to be toyed with and wear short skirts. Only a few foreigners allowed, serving at the pleasure of a mainly white, quasi (and not so quasi) militaristic organization, often with little power (Spock notwithstanding -- he was an alien but also clearly very humanoid and of an acceptable shade).
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I respectfully disagree, Ms. Rabid Bat Ma'am, at least on the "white people" part. The recent trailer gives more play to non-white actors than anything we've seen come out of the Axanar camp, including Prelude. If the sycophants watched that and are still touting it as "true trek," then "more white people" likely isn't the appeal - at least for most of them.
 
Admiral2 said:
I respectfully disagree, Ms. Rabid Bat Ma'am, at least on the "white people" part. The recent trailer gives more play to non-white actors than anything we've seen come out of the Axanar camp, including Prelude. If the sycophants watched that and are still touting it as "true trek," then "more white people" likely isn't the appeal - at least for most of them.
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I'm leaning this way, but it's hard to judge based upon the YT comments.

That said, as a white guy, I find it extremely odd to think its all white people all the time.:shrug:
 
Racism is definitely a factor with these people. Sure, they complained about the JJ movies for not "honoring Gene's vision" and all of that stuff, but their hatred of Discovery is on another level. I'm from the American South, so I've witnessed that type of hatred before: it's the hatred that comes from a racist white person who thinks a black person needs to be "put in their place". Once you see it, you can always recognize it.
 
GeorgeKirk said:
Racism is definitely a factor with these people. Sure, they complained about the JJ movies for not "honoring Gene's vision" and all of that stuff, but their hatred of Discovery is on another level. I'm from the American South, so I've witnessed that type of hatred before: it's the hatred that comes from a racist white person who thinks a black person needs to be "put in their place". Once you see it, you can always recognize it.
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Then how do you explain why I don't like Discovery, George, given that I'm a Black person and have been all my life?

I'm not saying there is no racism involved. Racism is involved in everything that goes on in an ethnically diverse society. It's unavoidable. What I am saying is, contrary to popular fiction, racism is not the dominant motivation among the part of the fan base that's critical of the show and its contemporaries. It's just that too many of the show's defenders are incapable of accepting the fact that there are people who just think the show sucks, and plenty of those people are non-whites, women and non-sexist males. Those defenders don't want to admit that possibility, so they fall back on the handful of morons who tweet racist things because they think it makes them cool and project their stupidity onto all detractors, because apparently it's the easier narrative for them to believe. It doesn't require any investigation or analysis.
 
GeorgeKirk said:
Racism is definitely a factor with these people. Sure, they complained about the JJ movies for not "honoring Gene's vision" and all of that stuff, but their hatred of Discovery is on another level. I'm from the American South, so I've witnessed that type of hatred before: it's the hatred that comes from a racist white person who thinks a black person needs to be "put in their place". Once you see it, you can always recognize it.
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This statement itself is racist and offensive, give me a break! Not everything is based on race and the sooner people realize that, the sooner we can actually live in harmony together. As long as people keep claiming everyone is a racists; unity is never going to happen, IMO.

For what it's worth, "Discovery" sucks because the writing is shit.
 
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There has been quite a bit of sexist and racist criticism of DISCO. That's a fact.

But that doesn't mean that people who don't like DISCO are racist, sexist, or both. There are many reasons to be critical of the show that having nothing to do with any of that or whether it's Tru Trek.

I honestly don't know what the percentages are in terms of what reasons the people who don't like it have for not liking it. That would be in actual fact difficult to measure. Given the sociopolitical climate in the US today, nothing would surprise me. I might be tempted to say that we're talking about vocal minorities, but again: data, what is it?
 
I have no doubt that fragile white ego plays a part in some folks dislike for Discovery, what that percentage is? Is anybody's guess. For me (white male), I've just found the show underwhelming much of its run, with the writing be tepid and mostly unimaginative.

Tuskin38 said:
Could you stop that, That rumour was debunked by CBS like a week after it started spreading.
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But it was never debunked by Eaves. Who made the claim and then had to take down his Facebook page. Like it or not, there likely was a 25% different mandate, it had nothing to do with creativity but with licensing. Tough to sell a Discovery-version of the NCC-1701 that was exactly like the original if the licensees (like Eaglemoss) were already selling a version of it.
 
Ricky Spanish said:
But it was never debunked by Eaves. Who made the claim and then had to take down his Facebook page. Like it or not, there likely was a 25% different mandate, it had nothing to do with creativity but with licensing. Tough to sell a Discovery-version of the NCC-1701 that was exactly like the original if the licensees (like Eaglemoss) were already selling a version of it.
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And in behind-the-scenes books, there's a sketch of the new version of the Enterprise with a handwritten note pointing out a change in the pennants on the engineering section (two stripes instead of three) and explaining it's because of the "25% different" guideline. It's not something that was pulled out of thin air or made up after the fact, we have official, published evidence that it was something that was part of the design requirements.
 
Tuskin38 said:
He made a statement later saying he misunderstood what the 25% meant.
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So there was a "25%" somewhere in all of this. If he misunderstood what it meant, that means it was presented to him by someone in authority.
 
KennyB said:
White, middle aged, straight male here. Love Discovery, especially season 3 so far but isn't this the place where we talk about AXANAR?
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No, it's where other mods can just label people who don't like a tv show as racist and sexist. Because reasons.
 
jespah said:
I suspect, for them, true Trek (tm) is skin deep. White people. Ships that resemble the familiar. Pew pew. Men are men and women are there to be toyed with and wear short skirts. Only a few foreigners allowed, serving at the pleasure of a mainly white, quasi (and not so quasi) militaristic organization, often with little power (Spock notwithstanding -- he was an alien but also clearly very humanoid and of an acceptable shade).
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Have you even bothered watching the trailers? The cast is diverse. I know it's fashionable to hate Axanar here with an anger that would make a Jem Hadar blush but that's no excuse to turn this thread into a microcosm of the ridiculous rhetoric in the general world. There are LOTS of things to criticize about the never ending production and Alec Peters regularly provides fresh fuel for the dumpster fire without needing to tar all those who disagree with you on a TV show as istaphobic. I'd expect better from a forum mod but frankly I've been following this (and the previous thread) too long to say that with any sincerity.
 
dmac said:
Thank you, sir!
Things I learned in school
1. racism is discrimination by one race towards another race
2. Homo sapiens are the dominate self aware species on this planet.
3. Ben Franklin said, " We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately"
4. Knowing those three things is a great way to fail sociology class.
Next time the 70's call, don't answer.
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Seriously WTF are you talking about?
 
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