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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x02 - "Far From Home"

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There is a certain fourth-wall breaking ni the notion of Universal Translators working or not working as the plot needs them to. People don't look like badly dubbed karate movies as the UT picks up things, it works on first appearance, and it doesn't translate words like p'taq or qapla and so forth. And apparently it fails to translate whatever pidgin the bad guys were speaking.
 
There is a certain fourth-wall breaking ni the notion of Universal Translators working or not working as the plot needs them to. People don't look like badly dubbed karate movies as the UT picks up things, it works on first appearance, and it doesn't translate words like p'taq or qapla and so forth. And apparently it fails to translate whatever pidgin the bad guys were speaking.
The qupla thing always annoyed me but I never realised about the lip sync till you mentioned it now
 
Perhaps the UT has some catching up to do, this far in the future?

And let's be honest, do we really WANT to see lip-synching issues all the time? It's really not that important.

Like on Blue Bloods with Len Cariou playing Tom Selleck's father even though they're only like 5 years apart in age. Nobody really gives a shit. Same story here... :shrug:
 
And will write an overly long post explaining why.
Let me tell you exactly why it's critically important that the portrayal of the universal translator's functions be accurate to what is indicated in the Starfleet Technical Manual on p....wait. What? What? What are you doing? NO!!! Leave me alone. NO!!! Don't take me to... I've already taken my pills... wait. NO!!!

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WON'T SOMEBODY HELP ME HERE?!!!! DON'T TAKE ME...


[enter Graham Chapman in British Army uniform c. 1968]

Right. We'd like to apologize for that silly incident. No more excruciatingly long-winded rants about minutiae. Why, it's like that time when I called the props department and told them why the communicators had to be exactly 4.294474 cm long and 3.25687... wait, no, NO!!! PUT ME DOWN. WHERE ARE YOU TAKING ME...

And now for something completely different. :whistle:
 
Perhaps the UT has some catching up to do, this far in the future?

And let's be honest, do we really WANT to see lip-synching issues all the time? It's really not that important.

Like on Blue Bloods with Len Cariou playing Tom Selleck's father even though they're only like 5 years apart in age. Nobody really gives a shit. Same story here... :shrug:

Yeah, I sometimes think about language and the UT, but I honestly don't really care when it comes to how it operates within a show, unless it's part of plot point. This is one of the things I'll give a lot of leeway to, because if they had to go through communication issues every time on the show, it would get tedious and uninteresting.

Also, as for Saru's use of the phrase "common tongue," he could have meant that English was a common tongue between everyone present, and not that English is the common tongue (in the Federation or whatever), if that makes sense.
 
Perhaps the UT has some catching up to do, this far in the future?

And let's be honest, do we really WANT to see lip-synching issues all the time? It's really not that important.

Like on Blue Bloods with Len Cariou playing Tom Selleck's father even though they're only like 5 years apart in age. Nobody really gives a shit. Same story here... :shrug:

Well, acting is essentially playing someone you're not.
 
Yeah, I sometimes think about language and the UT, but I honestly don't really care when it comes to how it operates within a show, unless it's part of plot point. This is one of the things I'll give a lot of leeway to, because if they had to go through communication issues every time on the show, it would get tedious and uninteresting.

There are lessons to be learned from the first season’s long, slow and boring speeches in Klingon, I think.
 
So, I found this episode to be just OK. A definite step down from last week. Gave it a 7.

Pros:
- Characters stuff - always a highlight for Discovery

- The shipboard stuff, crew working together, Saru and Tilly

- Promoting the values of the Federation or the Federation way; seeing the locals still invested in the idea of the Federation or the promise that it holds

- The bad guy, while a standard Western role, was played a differently and well

Cons:
- The Saloon plot - kind of boring, and like other posters have said, a mixed bag in terms of what it is trying to say about the Federation approach to things - re: the peaceful approach vs neck snapping. The show tries to have it both ways, but in my opinion ends up portraying Saru as a little naive or weak - while also basically giving Georgiou a slap on the wrist for slaughtering guys. I didn't have as much an issue with the deaths in the running gunfight last week (and don't really see these events in the Saloon this week as outside of a justifiable response to the situation), but the rampant violence and the lack of consequences (either emotionally or disciplinarily for the characters) just don't fit with the speechifying of Saru. Either show the characters living up to their own professed standards, or show the consequences of not doing so.

- The show still suffers from a mismatch between good characters stuff and bad plotting: last week the Mercantile was week, this week the Saloon.

- I didn't understand why Culber didn't dive headfirst into the Jefferies tube as soon as he saw Stamets in pain and perhaps bleeding out... why did he just stand around? He's a doctor damn it.

- Empress Georgiou continues to be a terrible character. She is terrible in universe by being an unrepentantly terrible person with no real point of still hanging around. Why would any of this crew still want to hang out with Space Hitler? She is also bad in the context of the TV show in that her quips are often terrible and jarringly out of place in all scenes. Maybe 1 in 10 is funny or appropriately sarcastic, etc. but the rest of the time they are just mean for meanness sake and don't add to the show (much like Nahn's reply of "yum, yum" when asked by Georgiou if Nahn wanted to help hunt down Leland at the end of season 2 - it's just so outside of the mood of the rest of the scene/episode/series). I just can't enjoy them. It is a lot like the Kurtzman-era's approach to gory violence - it may not be needed, and doesn't really add anything to the show (except for providing evidence the show is "gritty" and "modern" and "pulls no punches") but darn it, they are going to continue to shoehorn it in there regardless.

It's very much in the works and not going anywhere. Yeoh is an international star and one of the most popular characters (according to polls).

RAMA

Bah, TPTB keep making a lot of noise about the show still "existing" but every mention of it is how it is getting pushed back in the schedule in favor of other shows. I will believe it when I see it on air.

The Maquis were at war with both the Cardassians and the Federation. The Federation weren't an evil power hellbent on imposing a dictatorial system on the worlds in the Demilitarized Zone.

The Maquis weren't at war with the Federation, they were at war with the Cardies - they just ignored the Federation's demands to stop (and occasionally stole Federation equipment).

There is a certain fourth-wall breaking ni the notion of Universal Translators working or not working as the plot needs them to. People don't look like badly dubbed karate movies as the UT picks up things, it works on first appearance, and it doesn't translate words like p'taq or qapla and so forth. And apparently it fails to translate whatever pidgin the bad guys were speaking.

Discovery's implementation of the UT is inconsistent - like all Trek. They made a big point of not using it in season 1 to translate Klingon until "Into the Forest I Go", and then they specifically call out its function in season 2's "The Sound of Thunder". The rest of the time it fades into the background (like its function in all other non-ENT Trek shows) and works when it needs to and doesn't when it doesn't - plot dependent like a lot of Trek tech.
 
Why would any of this crew still want to hang out with Space Hitler?
Because even Hitler had family and friends? Because people who terrible things can also be charming?

I don't know, but I also don't have a problem with Georgiou being around as reminder of Burnham's terrible choices. Not sure what else is to be done with her.
 
Because even Hitler had family and friends? Because people who terrible things can also be charming?

I don't know, but I also don't have a problem with Georgiou being around as reminder of Burnham's terrible choices. Not sure what else is to be done with her.

Again, I don't have a problem with having a completely awful antihero as part of the main cast, but if they aren't going to set her up on some sort of redemption arc, they really shouldn't set up situations where the plot shows that she's right. Show us she's awful by letting her make a bad judgement call for once and have to live with the repercussions.
 
Again, I don't have a problem with having a completely awful antihero as part of the main cast, but if they aren't going to set her up on some sort of redemption arc, they really shouldn't set up situations where the plot shows that she's right. Show us she's awful by letting her make a bad judgement call for once and have to live with the repercussions.
I don't think the show needs to be sledgehammer in its commentary for the audience to go "That's not ok."

At least, to my mind. But, since Trek has always used the sledgehammer approach maybe it is more necessary. :shrug:
 
The Federation just needs to be made great again.

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Thought it was pretty average, some great shots, but it felt very by the numbers and predictable, you knew Georgiou was gonna end up with Saru and Tilly, the Discovery repair stuff lacked any real intensity or feel of danger, then the ending was just like the episode - predictable. It also followed the same formula as the first episode, having a shooty scene with headache inducing cuts every second.
 
I don't think the show needs to be sledgehammer in its commentary for the audience to go "That's not ok."

At least, to my mind. But, since Trek has always used the sledgehammer approach maybe it is more necessary. :shrug:

Being didactic is an important part of the Trek formula, IMHO.

But even if you disagree, you have to admit there was a big disconnect in what the episode told us versus what it showed us. It told us that the "Starfleet way" of Saru was superior to the Terran Empire inclinations of Georgiou. But it showed us that her ass-kicking was effective at getting the job done.

A better way to do it would be if Georgiou's rashness got her into tons of trouble, and then Saru, when left with no other option, turned to violence. Because that's how Trek has always shown violence in the past - something that can be done as a last resort, but not something to revel in.
 
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