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[Vger23]

One thing I'm struck by is how a number of major publications haven't either bothered reviewing Discovery 3. It speaks to how insular and niche CBSAA Trek has become. And how little chatter about his show there is on social media/internet- even though the movie world has ground to a halt- which would seem to benefit streaming. In terms of impact on the culture at large, Discovery seems to be no more popular than the floundering Enterprise series with the beagle.

And yet it’s continuously renewed, shows up at the top of demand expression metrics, and single-handedly relaunched the Star Trek television franchise.

I’ll take this level of unpopularity any day.

 

[fireproof78]

I thought people wanted Trek to be unpopular. Trek was never meant to be "cool." Or, so I've heard.

 

[Kzinti]

One thing I'm struck by is how a number of major publications haven't either bothered reviewing Discovery 3. It speaks to how insular and niche CBSAA Trek has become. And how little chatter about his show there is on social media/internet- even though the movie world has ground to a halt- which would seem to benefit streaming. In terms of impact on the culture at large, Discovery seems to be no more popular than the floundering Enterprise series with the beagle.

are you doomcock? cause you sound like him lol

 

[fireproof78]

I am continually amazed at the wishes for failure on a franchise people are fans of.

 

[SJGardner]

I am continually amazed at the wishes for failure on a franchise people are fans of.

I am especially amazed by how they seem to think that if the current shows tanked, CBS would decide to "listen to the fans" and bring in new showrunners and writers who "actually respect Star Trek and its fans", as opposed to, y'know, ceasing the production of a franchise that has proven itself to be a financial failure a second time after already having failed fifteen years ago.

 

[Lord Garth]

One thing I'm struck by is how a number of major publications haven't either bothered reviewing Discovery 3. It speaks to how insular and niche CBSAA Trek has become. And how little chatter about his show there is on social media/internet- even though the movie world has ground to a halt- which would seem to benefit streaming. In terms of impact on the culture at large, Discovery seems to be no more popular than the floundering Enterprise series with the beagle.

I clicked on your profile to see which series you like, to size you up. This is the list I saw:

• Star Trek: The Original Series
• Star Trek: The Animated Series
• Star Trek: The Next Generation
• Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
• Star Trek: Voyager
• Star Trek: Enterprise
• Star Trek: Discovery

Care to explain this, given how anti-DSC you seem to be? What do you like about Discovery that would prompt you to include it?

 

[Isaac Lawrence]

One thing I'm struck by is how a number of major publications haven't either bothered reviewing Discovery 3. It speaks to how insular and niche CBSAA Trek has become. And how little chatter about his show there is on social media/internet- even though the movie world has ground to a halt- which would seem to benefit streaming. In terms of impact on the culture at large, Discovery seems to be no more popular than the floundering Enterprise series with the beagle.

I've noticed that too.

And I guess to me that's how Star Trek has always been. And I suppose I have that perception because I watched very little of Star Trek during the entire Next Generation era; a handful of episodes each season if that. So I missed the buzz and the bam of 90s Trek. To me it was just corny-a** Star Trek that wasn't as kitschy-cool as Kirk and Spock. (And sorry if I offended anyone with that, but just being honest.)

But yeah, it was always niche to me. So now isn't worlds different. I pay attention to it a lot more now because I actually like it, but it's Star Trek. It is what it is.

On the flip side of that, there's not much of the new Star Trek yet. And the seasons are so spaced out, and there's usually less than a dozen episodes per season, and on and on...

And the things that get the big buzz, the Marvels and the Star Wars of the world, there's a ton of that.

Marvel: two, three, four movies a year (okay, maybe not four). But since 2009 Star Trek has had 3 movies and Marvel nearly 20. Fu*k. And I wished I liked super-hero movies because I would be in heaven, but I have like no interest in them. Fantastic Four I think are cool though, and if they make John David Washington Reed Richards then I'm there. But they'll never do that because they don't want that kind of drama.

And Star Wars since 2009 has had 3 animated series and 5 movies, all making a billion dollars except one, and a TV series that was mega large. And like any red-blooded American kid I loved Star Wars. By Jedi though I was 13 and it was like, okay, I'm done. The prequels were fine to me, my childhood wasn't violated in any way. And Ewan McGregor's Obi-Wan... c'mon, that was the best. And still loved Uncle George.

Funny thing about the sequels, I remember following the rumor sites and reading blow by blow what was going to happen in The Force Awakens and thinking this cannot be real. His sources have to be feeding him fake info. Rey suddenly being able to do Jedi mind tricks makes no sense, people are going to freak when they see that. This is not happening in that movie. Oh boy but it did, and the rest is history.

The Force Awakens pissed me off not because of Rey though, but because of the bait and switch with Finn. I actually kind of dug Last Jedi because I thought Adam Driver did such a good job. He's right up there with Ewan McGregor's Obi-Wan as my favorite Star Wars character. The last movie was like, I liked the Tenet preview better than this whole movie.

For Star Wars, if they made a series of movies with this High Republic idea then I'm back. I like Star Wars for the Jedi. I ain't it for the revolution, I'm there for the people in the robes with the laser swords.

Anyway, how'd I get so sidetracked?

Star Trek... yeah, I have no idea how to make it bigger and more popular than it is, and to get bigger buzz. I can't really imagine them doing anything different. Going back to how they did things in the 90s won't work, because that ran it's course back in the 90s.

I guess we can check back in about 3 years and see how things are, once the new Star Trek is up and running on all cylinders.

EDIT: I mean't The Force Awakens not The Phantom Menace.

 

[Lord Garth]

I've noticed that too.

And I guess to me that's how Star Trek has always been. And I suppose I have that perception because I watched very little of Star Trek during the entire Next Generation era; a handful of episodes each season if that. So I missed the buzz and the bam of 90s Trek. To me it was just corny-a** Star Trek that wasn't as kitschy-cool as Kirk and Spock. (And sorry if I offended anyone with that, but just being honest.)

But yeah, it was always niche to me. So now isn't worlds different. I pay attention to it a lot more now because I actually like it, but it's Star Trek. It is what it is.

On the flip side of that, there's not much of the new Star Trek yet. And the seasons are so spaced out, and there's usually less than a dozen episodes per season, and on and on...

And the things that get the big buzz, the Marvels and the Star Wars of the world, there's a ton of that.

Marvel: two, three, four movies a year (okay, maybe not four). But since 2009 Star Trek has had 3 movies and Marvel nearly 20. F*uk. And I wished I liked super-hero movies because I would be in heaven, but I have like no interest in them. Fantastic Four I think are cool though, and if they make John David Washington Reed Richards then I'm there. But they'll never do that because they don't want that kind of drama.

And Star Wars since 2009 has had 3 animated series and 5 movies, all making a billion dollars except one, and a TV series that was mega large. And like any red-blooded American kid I loved Star Wars. By Jedi though I was 13 and it was like, okay, I'm done. The prequels were fine to me, my childhood wasn't violated in any way. And Ewan McGregor's Obi-Wan... c'mon, that was the best. And still loved Uncle George.

Funny thing about the sequels, I remember following the rumor sites and reading blow by blow what was going to happen in the Phantom Menace and thinking this cannot be real. His sources have to be feeding him fake info. Rey suddenly being able to do Jedi mind tricks makes no sense, people are going to freak when they see that. This is not happening in that movie. Oh boy but it did, and the rest is history.

Phantom Menace pissed me off not because of Rey though, but because of the bait and switch with Finn. I actually kind of dug Last Jedi because I thought Adam Driver did such a good job. He's right up there with Ewan McGregor's Obi-Wan as my favorite Star Wars character. The last movie was like, I liked the Tenet preview better than this whole movie.

For Star Wars, if they made a series of movies with this High Republic idea then I'm back. I like Star Wars for the Jedi. I ain't it for the revolution, I'm there for the people in the robes with the laser swords.

Anyway, how'd I get so sidetracked?

Star Trek... yeah, I have no idea how to make it bigger and more popular than it is, and to get bigger buzz. I can't really imagine them doing anything different. Going back to how they did things in the 90s won't work, because that ran it's course back in the 90s.

I guess we can check back in about 3 years and see how things are, once the new Star Trek is up and running on all cylinders.

I generally don't watch mainstream movies these days. I haven't in almost 10 years. One year I didn't see any Summer Blockbusters and then I realized I didn't feel like I missed anything. From there, I didn't look back.

I think TV in general is a lot better than movies now. 30 years ago, even 20 years ago, I thought the opposite. I think so much would be lost if seasons of Discovery and Picard were reduced to two hours each. So I'm glad Star Trek's expansion is happening on the Small Screen instead of the Big Screen.

I got pretty sick of the way Star Trek was doing things in the '90s towards the end of the actual '90s. A lot of people here who claim they want it back were sick of it too. So they're being more than a bit two-faced when they say they want to go back to the Star Trek of Yesteryear.

 

[fireproof78]

Here's my thing-the numbers mean little to me as a viewer.

 

[Nyotarules]

And on the 6th day (some) fans still expected Trek to made in their image....

 

[Nyotarules]

Just to show how much 930 years changes things in real life, using an Old English Translator.

Modern English
Good thing that Book and Burnham have translators or they never can be able to understand each other. Time made a huge difference in language in the world.

Old English
Rûmmôdlic sîen ðone as writ witodlic [Burnham] hæfde [translators] sam sê nân n¯ænne canne sîe importantunderstandan hw¯æmlic elra. S¯æl pîs bêga ungemete tôscêad in spr¯æcm¯æst simble.

The f word is still the same lol

 

[Nerys Myk]

One thing I'm struck by is how a number of major publications haven't either bothered reviewing Discovery 3.

How often do "major publications" review a series in it's third year? As I recall, they like to review new shows.

 

[KepperC]

One thing I'm struck by is how a number of major publications haven't either bothered reviewing Discovery 3. It speaks to how insular and niche CBSAA Trek has become. And how little chatter about his show there is on social media/internet- even though the movie world has ground to a halt- which would seem to benefit streaming. In terms of impact on the culture at large, Discovery seems to be no more popular than the floundering Enterprise series with the beagle.

What a load of shit.

 

[RAMA]

One thing I'm struck by is how a number of major publications haven't either bothered reviewing Discovery 3. It speaks to how insular and niche CBSAA Trek has become. And how little chatter about his show there is on social media/internet- even though the movie world has ground to a halt- which would seem to benefit streaming. In terms of impact on the culture at large, Discovery seems to be no more popular than the floundering Enterprise series with the beagle.

Discovery has had a lot of coverage the last 2 seasons and while there's been a bit less possibly this year, I've seen something that would have been fairly rare in TV Guide in most years (with an exception in the mid to late 90s) a full page spread for its fall preview!

Also, I've seen at least 15 reviews of episode one already and only one has been marginally negative. Rotten Tomatoes had a 93 critical score last I looked.

The funny thing is, something that measures the EXACT thing you're talking about is available that I've been posting about, it measures the popularity...the buzz generated by shows...and Discovery, without a new episode in 18 months, has held steady in the top 20 for almost all of that time. So you are actually, measurably incorrect on this point. It will increase and should be in the top 10 for next week.

https://tv.parrotanalytics.com/US/star-trek-discovery-cbs-all-access

 

[RAMA]

I've been following this happen online, I love it!

Adil hussain
@_AdilHussain
Overwhelmed by deeply moving responses from audiences across North America, Europe, Australia, India, South America on @StarTrekDiscovery S3 Ep1. I am pleasantly Surprised and Joyous!
@CBSAllAccess
@Netflix
@CenterWillHold
@SonequaMG
@iamDavidAjala

https://scoopwhoop.com/amp/entertainment/icymi-adil-hussain-stars-in-star-trek-discovery-3-people-are-already-loving-him-in-it/?ref=social&type=tw&__twitter_impression=true…

https://www.scoopwhoop.com/amp/ente...?ref=social&type=tw&__twitter_impression=true

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

And on the 6th day (some) fans still expected Trek to made in their image....

Because if they don't make Star Trek how they wish it some people scream and cry, and howl.......

 

[RAMA]

Planetary scientist and Trek blogger Michael Wong.

https://soundcloud.com/strange-new-worlds/dsc-301-hverfjall

 

[RAMA]

This has 1.2 million views. A dog singing along to the Discovery theme

https://twitter.com/buitengebieden_/status/1317191025610326016?s=20

 

[Nerys Myk]

Planetary scientist and Trek blogger Michael Wong.

https://soundcloud.com/strange-new-worlds/dsc-301-hverfjall

That was pretty good. Love that he has been to Hverfjall as a scientist

 

[Tuskin38]

Going back to the 'Star Trek Day' trailer. TrekMovie thinks thought guy might be a Coridanite

From Enterprise: