News? Stories from Dubious Sources

[Steve Roby]

I wouldn't say that at all. Both the first seasons of Disco and Picard start off with rather bleak outlooks of things, in reflection of their lead character's outlook on the world, Michael facing a life sentence in prison while the Federation is engulfed in a war, Picard wary and cynical as he winds the days by in retirement disillusioned with the Federation and Starfleet and what they've become. But by the end of the seasons they each have their faiths restored and the seasons end on a thematic high note. Disco managed to maintain a sense of optimism throughout its second season, and certainly Lower Decks offers an optimistic outlook as well.

Yep. Go back to the 1960s, and that's what Star Trek is about. "We're human beings with the blood of a million savage years on our hands, but we can stop it. We can admit that we're killers, but we're not going to kill today. That's all it takes. Knowing that we won't kill today." Star Trek wasn't utopian in the sense of portraying a perfect future. It was about a better future, but one whose people still had work to do.

What the new shows don't have is the in-your-face utopian paradise that so defined TNG, and that's fine. You don't really need that in order to be optimistic.

TNG is an outlier. Its presentation of a perfect world does not align well with the rest of Star Trek, in which a perfect world is the goal and not the setting, and I wish fans would stop using it as the platonic ideal of everything Star Trek.

 

[eschaton]

Yep. Go back to the 1960s, and that's what Star Trek is about. "We're human beings with the blood of a million savage years on our hands, but we can stop it. We can admit that we're killers, but we're not going to kill today. That's all it takes. Knowing that we won't kill today." Star Trek wasn't utopian in the sense of portraying a perfect future. It was about a better future, but one whose people still had work to do.



TNG is an outlier. Its presentation of a perfect world does not align well with the rest of Star Trek, in which a perfect world is the goal and not the setting, and I wish fans would stop using it as the platonic ideal of everything Star Trek.

While I agree with what you say above, on the other hand, given there's always striving for "a better world" in Star Trek, and about a century of time have passed between TOS and "the present" of Trek, we would expect...progress to be made.

I mean, I suppose if you take the casual sexism of TOS at face value, you can say that by the Berman Era things had progressed enough that it was gone.

But overall, what level of progress has been made from say the TOS (or DIS) era to that of say Picard?

 

[fireproof78]

If the Federation were not facing a string of existential threats then progress could continue.

Now, I don't see a huge difference for the Federation from an average citizen perspective.

 

[Cap'n Calhoun]

I suppose if you take the casual sexism of TOS at face value, you can say that by the Berman Era things had progressed enough that it was gone.

True. By that point it had progressed to a formal sexism, or at least a dressy-casual sexism.

 

[BillJ]

If the Federation were not facing a string of existential threats then progress could continue.

Progress should continue even in the face of existential threats. The US probably made more progress during World War II than it has since where no real existential threat existed. It is in those times of relative peace that people get restless.

 

[Gonzo]

Progress should continue even in the face of existential threats. The US probably made more progress during World War II than it has since where no real existential threat existed. It is in those times of relative peace that people get restless.

It also has a tendency to increase employment and production, especially manufacturing which then boosts the economy at least for a while, often having a positive knock on effect in areas such as innovation, invention and overall efficiency.

The US is a good example of this during WW2, it must also be noted that one of the main reasons for this was that the battles were not fought on US soil, if they had been then the disruption would have been considerable not to mention the effects on morale and food production.

Its always better to fight on your opponents lawn than your own even though you then have to maintain extended supply lines.

Plus there is nothing worse than a bored army, the top brass may decide that they can do a better job of running the country than the elected or unelected leaders can.

 

[Worf factor9]

Its always better to fight on your opponents lawn than your own even though you then have to maintain extended supply lines.

Germany vs. France?

 

[fireproof78]

Progress should continue even in the face of existential threats. The US probably made more progress during World War II than it has since where no real existential threat existed. It is in those times of relative peace that people get restless.

I think it would normally do so, but there were threats one after another that may have directly impacted the homeland of the Federation far more than past threats, So, I think the Federation, despite some progress, would still have a huge fearful reaction in face of new dangers.

 

[Gonzo]

Germany vs. France?

It was angled more towards how far removed the USA was geographically from europe and the pacific where the majority of WW2 was fought.

The USA was able to keep the war at arms length in certain ways.

Germany and France fought on each others lawn.

 

[Worf factor9]

It was angled more towards how far removed the USA was geographically from europe and the pacific where the majority of WW2 was fought.

The USA was able to keep the war at arms length in certain ways.

Germany and France fought on each others lawn.

I know, but I could not restrain my inveterate smart-ass tend...

 

[frankieteardrop]

More "news" from the most dubious of sources: CBS Reportedly Plans to Bring Back Star Trek: Deep Space Nine's Captain Sisko｜We Got This Covered

Assuming for a minute that this isn't complete fiction, there's almost no chance of Avery Brooks returning to the role and if they recast Sisko, I can't see that decision being met with anything other than hostility from fans. It seems ill-advised. I'd absolutely love to see a new show featuring DS9 characters, just not this. If they really need to do a Sisko show, then it should follow Jake.

 

[Campe]

More "news" from the most dubious of sources: https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/cbs...ack-star-trek-deep-space-nines-captain-sisko/

Assuming for a minute that this isn't complete fiction, there's almost no chance of Avery Brooks returning to the role and if they recast Sisko, I can't see that decision being met with anything other than hostility from fans. It seems ill-advised. I'd absolutely love to see a new show featuring DS9 characters, just not this. If they really need to do a Sisko show, then it should follow Jake.

I love it how they always go down this rabbit hole:

We Got This Covered has heard from our sources today – the same ones who told us that Anson Mount’s Pike was getting his own spinoff months before it became official –

Anyone with a quarter of a brain who had any common sense knew that Pike was coming back for a show. It was a forgone conclusion.

Second, I love DS9. I love Sisko. He is my captain. Not only do I agree wholeheartedly that Avery Brooks isn't coming back, but where they left the character was good. I like the concept that he is always there but not. And leaving his arc suggesting he will be back, in my mind, is much more fulfilling than actually brining him back. Anything else with Sisko has the potential of just feeling cheap. Picard, Janeway, their stories were left wide open. Sisko's story, I believe, has been told. Could they wow me with something? Possibly. Would I watch it? Probably. But as I keep suggesting, eventually Trek is going to take a turn that I'm just going to decide isn't worth it for me personally.

 

[NCC-73515]

Has any of WGTC's stuff come true?
I wouldn't bet a single penny on them XD

 

[eschaton]

More "news" from the most dubious of sources: CBS Reportedly Plans to Bring Back Star Trek: Deep Space Nine's Captain Sisko｜We Got This Covered

Assuming for a minute that this isn't complete fiction, there's almost no chance of Avery Brooks returning to the role and if they recast Sisko, I can't see that decision being met with anything other than hostility from fans. It seems ill-advised. I'd absolutely love to see a new show featuring DS9 characters, just not this. If they really need to do a Sisko show, then it should follow Jake.

The article just says they plan to invite Avery Brooks back for Sisko, not that he will accept. I'm petty sure he'd walk away. He's been more or less retired from any sort of TV/film since 2001. And frankly there's little reason to revisit Sisko - his story was effectively over, even if he does eventually "come back" to Cassidy. Either he's a Prophet forever, or he's just a man raising his child on Bajor. Either way, his story should be closed.

Cirroc has stayed active in the fandom - and it's remarkable how much he's grown to look like Avery during his prime. That said, he's been out of acting for a long time now. I watched the recent Sid City which had the Garak/Bashir stories, and he had a bit part in one episode, and was shockingly amateur compared to the others. I think he'd certainly be up for returning, but he couldn't lead a show.

On the other hand, I'm sure you could get back Siddig, Visitor, Shimmerman, and Robinson quite easily, since they've stayed quite active in fandom since.

 

[Dukhat]

We Got This Covered should change their name to We Made This Up.

 

[frankieteardrop]

Cirroc has stayed active in the fandom - and it's remarkable how much he's grown to look like Avery during his prime. That said, he's been out of acting for a long time now. I watched the recent Sid City which had the Garak/Bashir stories, and he had a bit part in one episode, and was shockingly amateur compared to the others. I think he'd certainly be up for returning, but he couldn't lead a show.

I also watched the recent Sid City miniseries and I agree with your assessment of his performance. I just really don't want to see Ben Sisko recast, which is what will most likely occur if this particular project actually happens, so I'd much prefer a Sisko series with Jake as the lead over the alternative. That said, my hope is that any DS9 revival series we might get will be more of an ensemble piece rather than focused on just one or two characters.

On the other hand, I'm sure you could get back Siddig, Visitor, Shimmerman, and Robinson quite easily, since they've stayed quite active in fandom since.

I know Robinson has said more than once that he'd love to play Garak again. Given how game the others have been with these fan projects, I don't think it would take much for CBS to get them onboard. They all still clearly have love for their characters and the show.

 

[Dukhat]

I think the only way someone from DS9 is going to show up is if they are a guest star on PIC. I totally don’t see CBS producing a follow up show for DS9, or even VOY for that matter, despite 7of9 being in the show.

 

[Steve Roby]

TPTB got Kate Mulgrew to sign on for Prodigy and kept that secret for a year before announcing it. That someone would run a story claiming to have an Avery Brooks leak right after TPTB demonstrated how well they can keep things secret is just sad. It's as if WGTC just thought, well, Patrick Stewart's back, Kate Mulgrew's back, what the hell, let's run with it.

 

[NCC-73515]

They might simply wanna start a rumor that generates so much fan attention and praise that the real show planners pick it up XD

 

[eschaton]

I also watched the recent Sid City miniseries and I agree with your assessment of his performance. I just really don't want to see Ben Sisko recast, which is what will most likely occur if this particular project actually happens, so I'd much prefer a Sisko series with Jake as the lead over the alternative. That said, my hope is that any DS9 revival series we might get will be more of an ensemble piece rather than focused on just one or two characters.

Another option is to have the lead be the other child of Sisko. He or she was probably born in 2376, making them 23 at the time of Picard. Just the right age for a newly-minted ensign.

I think the only way someone from DS9 is going to show up is if they are a guest star on PIC. I totally don’t see CBS producing a follow up show for DS9, or even VOY for that matter, despite 7of9 being in the show.

They would not film a reprisal of course, but I'm not sure why they wouldn't choose to film a "sidequal."