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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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Based on how they've destroyed She-Hulk, even worse then the comics have, I have no faith in those shows being any good. I don't even like Ms. Marvel in the comics, and I'm neutral toward Moon Knight, so I don't really care about them either way. Moon Knight could surprise me, and Ms. marvel is incapable of being a show I'd like regardless of its actual quality, but either way I'm not particularly invested in either of them. Since they aren't starring pre-established MCU film characters, I assume that they'll be as shitty as "She-Hulk", even though it won't really bother me either way.

We know absolutely nothing about any of these shows other than casting or possible casting in some cases. I know you tend to judge things before seeing them, but how can you even make these judgments without any information whatsoever?
 
Heath Ledger proved to everyone that complaining about casting, however unconventional it may seem, is a fruitless endeavor. Most people, myself included, were very wrong about his casting. Anyone who throws out the whole production based on a single casting is just silly.

And to be 100% clear: Tatiana Maslany is not even unconventional casting for precisely the reasons Nerys Myk and Anwar already stated.
 
Heath Ledger proved to everyone that complaining about casting, however unconventional it may seem, is a fruitless endeavor. Most people, myself included, were very wrong about his casting. Anyone who throws out the whole production based on a single casting is just silly.

And to be 100% clear: Tatiana Maslany is not even unconventional casting for precisely the reasons Nerys Myk and Anwar already stated.
What always comes to my mind with this kind of thing, is a bit of a Nimoy interview where he talks about casting Lloyd as Kruge, with the other people in the room being all "but that guy only plays crazy people!" and Nimoy responding with something to the effect of "I'm not the one you want to talk to about typecasting someone...", and then cut to Lloyd diving into the role head first like he's doing Shakespeare, and out-Shatnering Shatner.
 
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Heath Ledger proved to everyone that complaining about casting, however unconventional it may seem, is a fruitless endeavor. Most people, myself included, were very wrong about his casting.

And Michael Keaton before that. "Mr. Mom as Batman? It'll be worse that Adam West!"


And to be 100% clear: Tatiana Maslany is not even unconventional casting for precisely the reasons Nerys Myk and Anwar already stated.

Yes, exactly. Even aside from her versatility, she's a pretty good physical match for what Jennifer Walters looks like in her non-Hulked form. Having now read part of the Dan Slott run on the comic (as well as the Charles Soule run), I suspect they'll follow its lead, where she's under orders to do her job as Jennifer Walters and only Hulk out when needed, or when off the clock.

She's also a popular and in-demand lead actress these days, so there's nothing unconventional about that.
 
Heath Ledger proved to everyone that complaining about casting, however unconventional it may seem, is a fruitless endeavor. Most people, myself included, were very wrong about his casting. Anyone who throws out the whole production based on a single casting is just silly.

And to be 100% clear: Tatiana Maslany is not even unconventional casting for precisely the reasons Nerys Myk and Anwar already stated.

Don't forget, folks also thought that Chris Pratt couldn't be a Superhero lead, that Chris Evans would be a terrible Captain America, that RDJ was too washed up to play anyone major, etc.
 
Did people complain about Ledger? I don't remember that, on what basis?

Yes, they did, because it was a very different type of character than they'd seen him play in the past. Some people really don't seem to understand what "acting" means. I think there may also have been a homophobic component from some quarters because of his role in Brokeback Mountain.
 
Yes, they did, because it was a very different type of character than they'd seen him play in the past. Some people really don't seem to understand what "acting" means. I think there may also have been a homophobic component from some quarters because of his role in Brokeback Mountain.

I don't think it was Brokeback, I think it was 10 Things I Hate About You. He was a lead actor in a teen romantic comedy, fans of their "serious" comic book movies don't want anything like that near their franchises. Actors who portray comedic roles also get the same pushback (Keaton, Evans, etc). It's rare that people complain about an actor known primarily for drama I find.
 
Casting a respected award winning actress in the lead role must be a sure sign of destruction then.
Oh! He's also upset that an Emmy award-winning writer for Rick and Morty is the showrunner, because apparently Rick and Morty is the worst animated show on the air right now.
 
I don't think it was Brokeback, I think it was 10 Things I Hate About You. He was a lead actor in a teen romantic comedy, fans of their "serious" comic book movies don't want anything like that near their franchises. Actors who portray comedic roles also get the same pushback (Keaton, Evans, etc). It's rare that people complain about an actor known primarily for drama I find.
The one I remember people bringing up the most was 'A Knight's Tale'. No clue why, I never did watch it.
 
I can't really see them going that far, but I could see them just not acknowledging it.
Marvel had announced that they are doing an in universe MCU book, The Wakanda Files, which is being presented as a collection of data that Shuri has collected on the science of the MCU.
Fun (Trek) fact, some of the art in it was done by Sean Tourangeau, the guy who won the Luna Class design contest for the Trek novels.
https://www.deviantart.com/stourangeau/art/war-machine-856149476
https://www.deviantart.com/stourangeau/art/The-Wakanda-Files-War-Machine-Preview-image-854914086

Based on how they've destroyed She-Hulk, even worse then the comics have, I have no faith in those shows being any good. I don't even like Ms. Marvel in the comics, and I'm neutral toward Moon Knight, so I don't really care about them either way. Moon Knight could surprise me, and Ms. marvel is incapable of being a show I'd like regardless of its actual quality, but either way I'm not particularly invested in either of them. Since they aren't starring pre-established MCU film characters, I assume that they'll be as shitty as "She-Hulk", even though it won't really bother me either way.
You say it won't bother you, but you keep making a huge deal out of it, and won't stop talking about it.
 
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I don't think it was Brokeback, I think it was 10 Things I Hate About You. He was a lead actor in a teen romantic comedy, fans of their "serious" comic book movies don't want anything like that near their franchises. Actors who portray comedic roles also get the same pushback (Keaton, Evans, etc). It's rare that people complain about an actor known primarily for drama I find.
That's what it was for me. I had only seen him in that film at that time. So I think it's definitely more along the lines of Keaton what experienced because of Mr. Mom(I honestly don't remember any pushback for Evans). Comedians in general tend get that kind of pushback when they go over to serious, dark dramas, but especially when it came to superhero films in the earlier days because of Adam West's Batman.

The one I remember people bringing up the most was 'A Knight's Tale'. No clue why, I never did watch it.
I think it was that, too, although I hadn't seen that one (still haven't).

It's a silliness that is often embraced though.
True, but at this point, I just either ignore it or laugh at it.
 
(I honestly don't remember any pushback for Evans).

There was definite pushback against Evans. Mainly because he was the Human Torch in the Fox FF movies. But it wasn't quite as widespread because folks also didn't think that Cap could be done well on screen at all either.
 
Rick & Morty is amazing.
I've only recently got into it and I have to agree. I actually made a point to watch the "Pickle Rick" episode, as that's the Emmy winning episode written by She-Hulk showrunner Jessica Gao, and it had me in tears.
 
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