It's irritates me when people say the Enterprise D was taken out buy a 70 yr old Bird Of Prey
- Thread starter Vaughn Falstaff
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What blew the budget was Patrick Stewart's and William Shatner's salaries. And if you think that somehow they would never used recycled effects footage; then you don't know how Paramount film production works. Hell the sausage step sequence was recycled footage from the TV series with a little bit of CGI added. The TOS and TNG era films post ST:TMP were never big budget affairs in Paramount's eyes. Paramount was always frugal with its budgets for any Star Trek film post ST:TMP because of what a production fiasco the first film was compared to the box office take.
At best, their salaries were the third thing that blew the budget, after the sailing ship and cartography scenes. And I'd be curious to know exactly what their salaries were in relation to the other actors. Care to enlighten us?
Please point out where Paramount recycled footage in FC, INS, NEM, ST '09, STID, or STB.
I didn't say they used recycled footage in STO9 or STID or STB as those are neither TOS or TNG era films with the original casts, which is what I was referring to.
As for First Contact all the interior shots were done on redressed Star Trek Voyager sets and DS9 Defiant sets, same with insurrection, but yeah those two probably didn't have recycled visual effects shots. But they all have lower budgets adjusted for inflation than any of the TOS era films.
Nemesis had a recycled romulan capital city shot.
Nemesis also reused Voyager sets
There's a huge difference between reusing standing sets, and reusing stock footage. In the case of the former, those sets were redressed to appear as a completely different area than what it was originally used for (except for the Defiant bridge, because that was used as...the Defiant bridge.) In the case of the latter, the BoP explosion was the exact same footage. They didn't even bother to mirror it for GEN, or add extra explosions or new debris.
And I'm pretty sure all scenes of the Romulan capitol in NEM were new.
They really blew a large portion of their budget on that completely unnecessary, silly boat scene that contributed nothing and was just a waste of time (and apparently lots of money)?
As if that movie wasn't bad enough...
As if that movie wasn't bad enough...
Funny that the stellar cartography sphere set was forbidden due it being too expensive...they had to modify it into a cone
I know what you mean here but man this just made my day.
Certainly. But we saw the end result, and it wasn't potent...
Might be BoP torpedoes by definition are designed to be impotent, perhaps to allow for close quarters fighting, perhaps to allow for capturing of the victim vessel. Might be Klingon tech isn't as flexible as the tech that allowed Archer in "The Expanse" already to scale his shots from love pats to disabling blows.
In any case, unlike our heroes who start shaking when one of their shots doesn't score a bullseye, Klingons are perfectly fine with using sixty disruptor shots of which just six connect, so they might also be fine with firing ten torps where Starfleet would fire just one. Making each individual torp weaker and thus less wasteful of the precious antimatter would make sense if nine out of ten are going to miss anyway - until the tenth connects, the enemy is slowed down, and only six out of the next ten miss, after which the enemy stands still and the next ten will finish him off.
As for reimagining, as said, ST:GEN as written needs the old, weak underdog ship against the hero ship. Introducing a new old ship would only detract from the nostalgia...
Timo Saloniemi
As a kid, I once counted every shot the Bird of Prey fired at the Enterprise, including every time the ship shook during interior scenes (which I guessed at the time meant that each time the ship shook was a separate torpedo or disruptor blast). I ended up counting 23 or 28 times, not sure which now, but that is a HELL of a lot of hits, even for a ship the size of the Enterprise-D. I plan on counting again using the same rules as before, interior camera shakes and confirmed exterior shots, while reviewing the footage.
especially since his visor had been hacked before when the romulans kidknapped him
I think it takes StarFleet a "Huge Tragedy" before they learn to fix it.
Losing an entire "Galaxy Class" StarShip should hopefully wake up StarFleet upper brass to the weaknesses of Cyber-Security and infiltration through hacking people's physical equipment like the VISOR.
When the Romulans did it, the Enterprise got "Lucky" and they avoided a disaster.
When the Duras Sisters did it, they were able to down a Galaxy Class. Though the Duras Sisters didn't survive to enjoy the fruits of their labor.
The thing is, I don't think it would have made a difference. Soran apparently gave the Twisted Sisters two gifts: the way to read the E-D shield frequency, plus some sort of an El-Aurian shield improvement. Right after our heroes figure out they should do the forced cloaking trick, the Sisters are yelling "Our shields are holding!" in what looks and sounds like utter disbelief: "For some reason, we aren't dead yet!". So Riker is firing back, despite appearances, and it's simply not working the way it should.
Timo Saloniemi
Kidding, I suspect the BoP could have easily evaded such an attempt.
That looks beautiful.
*sigh* if only....
From Data's Day to Picard, it's pretty obvious that Starfleet has failed to learn a bloody thing about security.
Maybe I’m just overly sensitive to CGI these days, but that Enterprise-D looks too fake to me. The actual physical model shot of the Enterprise-E in that scene looked far better.
