What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Orphalesion]

Or make some modifications to the complex, so that it could be self sustaining without an organic brain. The Enterprise computer handles that fine. But no, in normal western civilization, men and women live together, and Kirk was determined to force that on these folks, whatever the cost.

I'd say that that was probably not the only planet Kirk left in chaos, possibly mass extinction, due to his style of handling things...

It's classic era Trek, so of course the solution to everything is hetero-normative sex/marriage/partnership/free love . That even persisted into 90s Trek in some places, like "Up the Long Ladder".
That actually makes me think... what did "Up the Long Ladder" have against artificial insemination? The Mariposans didn't like the idea of sex, the...uh...Irish Stereotypes (forgot their name) were big on monogamy (at least that's what was stated)
So wouldn't artificial insemination been the logical solution?

 

[FederationHistorian]

I’m actually not all that bothered with TATV. I just find it fun to think about all the other ways it could have been done. Which turns out to be plenty.

“Scorpion” and “Yesterday’s Enterprise” would have been great Star Trek movies.

Ron Jones should have come back and done the score for ENT. It would have spiced up a number of bland episodes, particularly in S2.

“Endgame” should have actually been Voyager’s 8th season.

I’m actually interested in knowing who was being charged with corruption in the opening teaser of “Endgame.”

Much like Worf & O’Brien, Tasha Yar would have thrived on DS9.

 

[Oddish]

True, but that is limit of our knowledge about the original culture.

And it's irrelevant. Vaal's followers were basically children, possessing intelligence but devoid of knowledge. A self sustaining society requires adults, who have both. Removing Vaal might have been justified, but leaving its followers to their own devices afterward was unconscionable.

 

[Oddish]

It's classic era Trek, so of course the solution to everything is hetero-normative sex/marriage/partnership/free love . That even persisted into 90s Trek in some places, like "Up the Long Ladder".
That actually makes me think... what did "Up the Long Ladder" have against artificial insemination? The Mariposans didn't like the idea of sex, the...uh...Irish Stereotypes (forgot their name) were big on monogamy (at least that's what was stated)
So wouldn't artificial insemination been the logical solution?

There was a lot wrong with that episode.
1. Out of 1000 people, figure 900 of them adults, on the ship, you're saying you could find a few who would be willing to be clones.
2. The clones were all the same age. Even if they were produced as adults (which is stupid, given that you would have a grown adult incapable of walking, speech, or basic self care), some would be youthful and others elderly.
3. Killing your own clone is still murder. Why wasn't Riker chucked in the brig?
4. The clone colony had extreme genetic damage, according to Pulaski. Why not let them die off, then start fresh with the Bringloidi (I think that's what they were called).
5. As for artificial insemination, why not have some Enterprise human males "contribute" as well? That would expand the gene pool further.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

I'm not sure being held captive, raped, and murdered by Romulans was "better".

I was just talking about "Yesterday's Enterprise," not any of the dumb retcons that followed it. I personally prefer to just forget that Sela ever existed.

At the end of Yesterday's Enterprise, we all thought she died a heroic death at the time. Then they ruined it again with her "half-Romulan daughter" in Redemption II. Aargh.

Agreed.

I don't know if this is controversial or not but I think that the Klingon forehead issue should have been ignored. Worf's "We do not discuss it with outsiders" line from "Trials & Tribble-ations" was the best explanation that we were ever going to get and the Augment stuff from Enterprise was needlessly convoluted.

Agreed.

 

[Mytran]

And it's irrelevant. Vaal's followers were basically children, possessing intelligence but devoid of knowledge. A self sustaining society requires adults, who have both. Removing Vaal might have been justified, but leaving its followers to their own devices afterward was unconscionable.

Except that Kirk didn't just leave them to their own devices; he introduced a human-centric hetero-normative model of society onto them first, onto a people and culture he knew nothing about. This is why I compared it to his actions in Spock's Brain.

After that he did of course fly off and leave the aliens to their own devices, no argument there!

 

[MAGolding]

finished re-watching the Voyage Home.
i don't know if these are controversial thoughts but here goes:

Kirk was a Jerk for trying to abandon Gillian Taylor after getting her in severe legal trouble for the hospital break in. At some points she would have been identified and been subject to some severe questions. I don't think she was running to the future so much as needing a good escape plan. She gave Kirk one of the smoothest brush-offs in star trek history at the end. Out of your league, admiral, I mean captain.

The Whale Probe species is dumber than a bag of rocks, dangerously so. Humans may not have known there were other intelligent species on their planet while they hunted them down. And that's bad, sure. But they were at best at an industrial era scientific level. The Whale Probe species was wiping out an entire biosphere just because their buddies stopped calling a couple of centuries earlier. They've had millions of years to understand that planets might have other things living on them. Compared to these guys V'Ger is a responsible galactic citizen.

Arcadians look like what a human would look like after 30 seconds in a microwave if a human was a circus peanut candy.

that's all i got

Most of this makes sense.

Who or what are Arcadians?

 

[XCV330]

Most of this makes sense.

Who or what are Arcadians?

 

[Oddish]

In Kirk's defense, he might have considered the possibility that Gillian might have been his great^10 grandmother or something. Or another crew member's. What if when they took Gillian away, McCoy had ceased to exist?

 

[Not A Dominion Spy]

DS9’s “The Emperor’s New Cloak” was a good episode

 

[cooleddie74]

"Daedalus(ENT)" is a great Star Trek episode. I mean, come on. After nearly 40 years we learned the inventor of the transporter. Plus it's a creepy story full of character-building.

 

[Oddish]

DS9’s “The Emperor’s New Cloak” was a good episode

Which Ferengi did they off in that episode?

 

[XCV330]

In Kirk's defense, he might have considered the possibility that Gillian might have been his great^10 grandmother or something. Or another crew member's. What if when they took Gillian away, McCoy had ceased to exist?

the time cops did have a pretty big file on Kirk. Who knows what mistakes they had to fix.

 

[Not A Dominion Spy]

Which Ferengi did they off in that episode?

Mirror Brunt

 

[Oddish]

Ah, right. I know they always kill a Ferengi.

Ironically, one of the two most interesting characters in the mirror universe was Nazi Odo (the other being Kinky Kira). Sadly, he got bumped early on. Why couldn't they have snuffed Scruffy Bashir instead?

 

[1001001]

Why couldn't they have snuffed Scruffy Bashir instead?

Or regular Bashir, for that matter...

 

[Oddish]

Good point. They're both pretty meh.

Speaking of Scruffy Bashir though, it's a safe bet there was no genetic enhancement services for enslaved Terrans. So why didn't Mr. Scruffy have the intelligence of a brick, like Jules Bashir did?

 

[Paul755]

Much like Worf & O’Brien, Tasha Yar would have thrived on DS9.

I think you can make this argument for several TNG and VOY characters.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Good point. They're both pretty meh.

Speaking of Scruffy Bashir though, it's a safe bet there was no genetic enhancement services for enslaved Terrans. So why didn't Mr. Scruffy have the intelligence of a brick, like Jules Bashir did?

It could be that Jules' condition wasn't natural. Maybe something happened to him as a baby that his parents never knew about/never admitted to anyone.

 

[Tenacity]

Or Bashir's parents were over stating the degree of Julian's impairment, and his actual intelligence was what we saw with "Scruffy Bashir."

Julian had generally average intelligence, and that wasn't good enough for his parents.