What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Oddish]

Thing I didn't like about Spock's Brain is that Kirk just forced the women out on the surface in a cavalier manner. Realistically, those women would have very little chance of survival. It would be like kidnapping a bunch of modern American millenials, taking their phones and other modern conveniences, and forcing them to live as cave people did.

 

[Court_Vince]

Yeah its weird, it seems like they were trying to have some message in there but its completely overshadowed by the crazy plot starter of Spock's brain going missing
And it doesnt help that it has just gems as "Brain and Brain! What is Brain?!"

 

[Lord Garth]

Thing I didn't like about Spock's Brain is that Kirk just forced the women out on the surface in a cavalier manner. Realistically, those women would have very little chance of survival. It would be like kidnapping a bunch of modern American millenials, taking their phones and other modern conveniences, and forcing them to live as cave people did.

I don't think most people today would be able to live like cave people.

 

[Court_Vince]

Especially those who have lived underground and been taken care of for the majority of their life

 

[XCV330]

finished re-watching the Voyage Home.
i don't know if these are controversial thoughts but here goes:

Kirk was a Jerk for trying to abandon Gillian Taylor after getting her in severe legal trouble for the hospital break in. At some points she would have been identified and been subject to some severe questions. I don't think she was running to the future so much as needing a good escape plan. She gave Kirk one of the smoothest brush-offs in star trek history at the end. Out of your league, admiral, I mean captain.

The Whale Probe species is dumber than a bag of rocks, dangerously so. Humans may not have known there were other intelligent species on their planet while they hunted them down. And that's bad, sure. But they were at best at an industrial era scientific level. The Whale Probe species was wiping out an entire biosphere just because their buddies stopped calling a couple of centuries earlier. They've had millions of years to understand that planets might have other things living on them. Compared to these guys V'Ger is a responsible galactic citizen.

Arcadians look like what a human would look like after 30 seconds in a microwave if a human was a circus peanut candy.

that's all i got

 

[1001001]

Same way as Sub Rosa, Spock's Brain, and A Night in Sickbay. And DS9 had a stinker or three as well.

Move Along Home...

 

[Oddish]

Especially those who have lived underground and taken care of for the majority of their life

Yeah. Take a typical American high school female, physically adult but cared for by parents and schools. Her idea of work is running a cash register at the local Starbucks. Now put that kid in the middle of the woods. Tell her to get dinner by finding roots or mushrooms, or killing and gutting a random rodent. To build a fire without matches. To make a pot or a knife or a blanket out of raw materials. That kid would probably be dead of starvation and exposure within days.

It would have been more merciful for Kirk to just leave them in the complex and drop a photon torpedo on it.

 

[Court_Vince]

I would have rather had Kirk just leave them alone considering that getting them up speed with everyone else would have taken decades

 

[Oddish]

Or make some modifications to the complex, so that it could be self sustaining without an organic brain. The Enterprise computer handles that fine. But no, in normal western civilization, men and women live together, and Kirk was determined to force that on these folks, whatever the cost.

I'd say that that was probably not the only planet Kirk left in chaos, possibly mass extinction, due to his style of handling things...

 

[cooleddie74]

"Shades of Grey(TNG)." A bottle episode at the end of a season where the budget had been expended and an almost endless series of clips from previous Riker-centric episodes dating back to Season 1. Is it offensive? No. Is it mind-numbingly boring and just a way to fill a one-hour slot because the series had to deliver a final episode for Season 2? Yep.

 

[Court_Vince]

Or make some modifications to the complex, so that it could be self sustaining without an organic brain. The Enterprise computer handles that fine. But no, in normal western civilization, men and women live together, and Kirk was determined to force that on these folks, whatever the cost.

I'd say that that was probably not the only planet Kirk left in chaos, possibly mass extinction, due to his style of handling things...

yeah Kirk is Reckless it always seemed arrogant for him to try and force the "normal" way of life on those people without really considering how it might actually play out

 

[Mytran]

yeah Kirk is Reckless it always seemed arrogant for him to try and force the "normal" way of life on those people without really considering how it might actually play out

Wouldn't be the first time! See also Kirk's actions in The Apple or to a lesser extent in A Taste Of Armageddon, Return Of The Archons and Miri

 

[Court_Vince]

I love Kirk but his way of doing things

 

[BillJ]

Wouldn't be the first time! See also Kirk's actions in The Apple or to a lesser extent in A Taste Of Armageddon, Return Of The Archons and Miri

What was he supposed to do in "Miri"? Just leave school aged children to their own devices? Kirk was forced into the situation in "Armageddon" by Robert Fox. And Much like Vaal in "The Apple", things probably play out completely differently in "Archons" if the Enterprise isn't put at stake by planetary computers.

 

[cooleddie74]

Kirk probably argued for a temporary suspension of the Prime Directive concerning Miri's Planet because it was almost a carbon copy of Earth right down to the continents and other surface features. Starfleet Command clearly agreed that this was a world worth study since at the end of the episode it was mentioned that experts would be sent to the planet to assist the Onlies in rebuilding their society. Humans. Another Earth right down to the continental arrangements. Speaking and writing in English. Yeah, there was probably a big exception made for that planet.

 

[BillJ]

I think the Prime Directive is hogwash, and in-universe Starfleet knows it. It flies in the face of human instinct to help and preserve lives, not only the lives of culturally less advanced civilizations but also self-preservation. It is worded sternly to make sure starship crews keep in mind to try to do as little damage as possible when extracting themselves from any situation involving less advanced species.

 

[Mytran]

What was he supposed to do in "Miri"? Just leave school aged children to their own devices? Kirk was forced into the situation in "Armageddon" by Robert Fox. And Much like Vaal in "The Apple", things probably play out completely differently in "Archons" if the Enterprise isn't put at stake by planetary computers.

That's why I said "to a lesser extent" because the situations weren't the same. The events in The Apple are most analogous to Spock's Brain because he wasn't restoring a culture to an earlier suppressed form, he was forcing human-centric notions onto a people that had absolutely no clue about any other way of life!

 

[Oddish]

The people in "The Apple" had no idea how to live free and independent lives. Certainly, with help, they could learn to do so. But I didn't see the Enterprise offering that help, did you?

 

[BillJ]

...The Apple are most analogous to Spock's Brain because he wasn't restoring a culture to an earlier suppressed form...

Someone built Vaal.

But I didn't see the Enterprise offering that help, did you?

That wasn't the format of the show. Much like Miri's world and Beta III, I imagine Federation chaperones would be along eventually.

 

[Mytran]

Someone built Vaal.

True, but that is limit of our knowledge about the original culture.