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Well that was because it was a comedy. They weren't exploring the issue. Basically just using advance future surgery as a form of disguise. The story was actually more about getting Zek back as the Grand Nagus. That was why Quark was going through it all to begin with. His mom was suppose to talk to the businessman but she had a heart attack due to a yelling fight with Quark so he had to pretend to be another woman advisor to the Nagus. They tried to put some social commentary about woman equal rights but mostly it was really just a excuse to have Quark look like a woman because they knew Quark would be the one person who would have issues with that do to him being sexist.

I think the closest they ever got to a more serious look at the issue would be Chimera were they sort of explore the idea of Odo being different.


Jason

 

Yeah, using us for comedy is shitty and part of the problem with media representations of trans and gender non-conforming people.

It was bad, wrong and stupid and they should never do it again.

Signed,
A woman who has to turn away when watching this kind of bullshit with transphobic family that this will just re-enforce their negative views on trans people about.

 

Yes.

You are right.

Ferengi culture was not nice to women.

Not allowed to work.

Not allowed to talk to men she's not related to.

Not allowed to leave the house.

Not allowed to wear clothes.

They have to chew their husbands food for them.

The cycle of oppression had to be broken.

By the end the women were allowed to make profit, but, you have to go back to season Two..

A female Ferengi escaped the home world, dressed as a boy, glued on some fake ear lobes, and got a job as a bartender at Quarks bar.

Problem.

She fell on love in love with Quark.

When she confided to Jadzia about her feelings, the three hundred year old Trill marvels "Wow! I've never met a gay Ferengi before!!!"

 

No, she says she never met a female Ferengi before. Up until that point Dax thought she was talking to a male Ferengi who had fallen for Quark.

 

I was paraphrasing to get the point across.

Jadzia saw a world where two dudes could get it on... For about 12 seconds.

 

The Ferengi have always been backwards and antifeminist until the end of DS9.
Quark had to play a female advisor because Ishka had a heart attack or something like that, and they wanted to prove to the slug-o-cola guy that women can and should be involved in financial stuff and should get more rights. There was no other woman on the station, at least no one familiar with the plan, that's why Quark had to do it. But it's been a while since I've seen it XD

 

Well that and they needed someone with business knowledge to impress him as well. So Quark was picked instead of someone like Rom who isn't good at business.

Jason

 

Voyager Body and Soul.

The Doctor hides from enemies inside Jeri Ryan.

(And I thought these things smelt bad on the outside.)

The Doctors Personality takes over her body.

The Actress does a fair impersonation of her castmates mannerisms.

 

"Rules of Acquisition(DS9)" was a far better story of Ferengi female empowerment and business acumen than "Profit and Lace(DS9)." Even Shimerman didn't like the latter and if the actor who did more than any other to forge the depiction of the Ferengi found it a real slog to get through and a terrible episode then I wouldn't assign much value to it even if the message were meant to be positive.

 

Where the Founders from DS9 non-binary?

They had no default gender, and the older ones, not Odo, had no preference between animal mineral or vegetable.

The Female Founder, who "linked" and treated it like sex, could have just as easily been male, and much later Lars, the other orphan changeling, also treated linking with Odo possessively like sex, and they both presented as dudes most of the time.

 

I think the Founders are actually one entity with something akin to split personalities that can operate with individual identity when they leave the link but when they merge it's like they become whole again which is why the pull to return was so strong for Odo. Also why they have such strict rules about not killing each other. It's like killing part of yourself.

Jason

 

The show would just rip off whatever movie one of the writers had rented over the weekend, wouldn't it?

 

Mulan wasn't out yet.

 

Y'know Discovery, a fun way to have your first trans woman as a character would be a captaincy. Just sayin'.

 

It would be diluted though because the captain on that show will never be as important as Burnham. It's why even though Saru is kind of the first alien Captain it's not like he is on equal lengths with Kirk,Picard etc. Especially since they are not even really in Starfleet anymore. One of the more interesting things I am looking at for this next season is just how "Starfleet" the crew chooses to remain. I don't think it's going to be like Voyager were the ship might as well have been in the AQ many times.

Jason

 

I wasn't talking about main captain, though? Just captain of another ship the Disco partners with for a few episodes.

 

Would they riot? I think part of the audience never watched Trek before. And another part of the audience didn’t seem to remember Voyager. 7 of 9 didn’t act anything like the character from Voyager. The only people who objected to that already object to Picard on principle.

 

Absolutely. And there is no shortage of persons who will gas-light you into trying to believe that it isn’t virtue signaling or pushing an agenda. Just to add to your concerns let’s not forget the most recent Trek event interview with Alex Kurtzman. It’s not about Star Trek it’s about the platform.
It’s too obvious Trek is no longer about story first and neither is it about character development.
It’s now obvious that Trek is about agenda first and the story is just packaging. It was obvious to some of us that this has damaged the franchise, lowering viewership interests and destroying interest in licensing products (where long term franchises have capital value).

Now the evidence of the viewership is slipping through the cracks. The articles about viewership in Canada are out. American viewers aren’t that dissimilar to our Canadian cousins. The viewership of Short Treks and Lower Decks on YouTube are abysmal for a channel like CBSViacom with millions of followers.

And if the rebranded streaming service or All Access had any greater, iconic properties that could draw interest to a streaming service, Trek would have been cut loose years ago.

Now STD will be on broadcast. The numbers for that will be telling. And Kurtzman is public now that Trek is just a platform to push an agenda.

my point is that this will be tokenism. I’m a gay man and I felt Culber and and what’s-his-name were also token. Characters that felt like they were there to make a statement first. Burnham felt that way to me also, to a lesser degree. All of these “first for Trek” things that aren’t really and usually weren’t well researched when they took their cultural brownie points and ran with it to the press for the PR.
Frankly, it’s insulting for a show that purports to be the descendant of Gene Rodenberry’s Trek to continue on with the 2009 movie trends. That continues the trend from 2009 of replacing science fiction with science fantasy. For telling convoluted stories that are low IQ, vapid, vacuous, hyperkinetic, spasmodic, and manic with Louis sounds and explosions in the place of dramatic tension and character driven storytelling.

And now someone’s going to come here and try to pass the notion that this isn’t tokenism. That it isn’t to placate .02% of the population to grab a viewer who isn’t there and won’t spend money keeping Trek alive for the next 50 years.

It’s insulting. It’s disingenuous. It divides the fan base and creates the types of tensions that never were part of fan base debate and at times heated discussion. Our fandom has always been dynamic, diverse in opinion and in the various shades, shapes, creeds, and so on. It has been robust and often argumentative. We’ve have some ugly at times. But not like this.
This is a new level, brought about in an agenda that seems to exist just to push a boundary that most fans of Trek honestly don’t care about.

Trek- good Trek is a story that encompasses species that have more than two sexes. More than just a few shades of colors. More than just mammals or bi-peds. It should now still be about the story first as Trek has always been. There have always been morality plays and reflections of mores and ethics. But always through a good story and Trek of old tried hard to lead the audience to the point and let them decide, not beat the audience over the head.

But we can think less talented and less subtle writers from the CW and show runners who are more concerned with having a platform upon which they can stand and be tone deaf as they shout.

But hey, there will be those who will defend it tooth and nail. They will defend it to the detriment of the franchise. They will defend it while insisting that you are the nasty, evil person of their fantasmagoria. Those tolerant, liberal persons of social justice and virtue will defend the show and its bigotry of low expectations and tokenism. While simultaneously calling you all nasty things, declaring that you shouldn’t speak, and that this franchise isn’t for you obviously and that you should be the one to go.

I’ll bet anything dollars to latinum that you’ll see it here. Against all the evidence and logical reasoning. That’s what Trek is becoming and that’s what trying to debate with the ideologically possessed will bring you.

 

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Because that’s not good storytelling and needing to see yourself “represented” in your entertainment is narcissism in the extreme. If that’s what you’re asking when you’re watching something then you really should seek a counselor or a psychologist to speak to.

 

I see you were threatened with a ban because you’ve been warned before not to reiterate your opinions about something you see in Trek that you don’t like.

To be constructive for the sake of the moderator team here. I’m new to these forums and your position isn’t a retread to me. I want to see opinions from those fans with whom I agree AND disagree. It’s the only way to hash out anything meaningful.

Having milquetoast conversations with everyone who agrees with you doesn’t lead to anything new or exciting.