Favourite TOS/TAS story arc

[Poltargyst]

I really do think the TOS style Klingons were scarier than the turtleheads of the films, TNG, DS9 and VOY! Maybe it was their heavy brow and sneer rather than thicker skin? The Conker head look in DSC is totally not for me either! Their similarity to humans and their sneakiness, their honour came much later! Although I'm no fan of ENT I did like the Klingon two parter explaining their changing even if it could have been done in a different and in better way! When the first Klingon became affected with the virus I could see the old style features and that made me sit up with this show for the first time ever!
JB

One of the best things ENT ever did was explain the reason for the differences between TOS Klingons and movie/TNG Klingons.

 

[johnnybear]

True! How could you explain such a thing but they did it quite well! A theory that held up well until the DSC nonsense came along!
Shame that forward thinking was not a possibility that the TOS films couldn't have mentioned the end of the infection and return to grace for the Klingon race!
JB

 

[1001001]

I really do think the TOS style Klingons were scarier than the turtleheads of the films, TNG, DS9 and VOY! Maybe it was their heavy brow and sneer rather than thicker skin? The Conker head look in DSC is totally not for me either!

What, middle aged guys in splotchy grease paint?



The DSC Klingons are much better, IMHO. They actually look and sound alien. Menacing, fierce.

 

[Morgan Primus]

Spock's wobbly mental health.

Wasn’t aware Spock’s mental health was wobbly..

 

[johnnybear]

Unless people were aware of his struggle with his human half that appeared every so often in the show?
JB

 

[Falconer]

The DSC Klingons are much better, IMHO. They actually look and sound alien. Menacing, fierce.

Okay, so between this:

And this:

To me it is not so much a question of which is better, it’s just, why not call them different things? The universe is big enough for both. Imagine! Invent! Go nuts!

You know what they totally should have called the DSC aliens? Vegans.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Okay, so between this:

And this:

To me it is not so much a question of which is better, it’s just, why not call them different things? The universe is big enough for both. Imagine! Invent! Go nuts!

You know what they totally should have called the DSC aliens? Vegans.

Hey I have vegan friends they probably wouldn't appreciate that

 

[Lord Garth]

I'm going to have to go with Khan as my favorite "arc". Tight and compelling. "Space Seed" and TWOK. That's all that needs to be said.

Why did I choose Khan? Let's look at the rest of them:

How stupid I think the Death Penalty is for visiting Talos IV (really?!) knocks it out of the running.

All the TOS Klingon episodes really have going for them as stand-outs are "Errand of Mercy" and "Day of the Dove". Then TSFS, TUC, and one scene each for TMP and TVH. The rest of their appearances in TOS/TAS/I-VI are just okay. And I always felt like there was more there that we didn't see and should've. So that also knocks it out of the running. "The Trouble With Tribbles" is great episode, but Koloth isn't great, and I think of it as more of a Tribble episode. More on that later.

Kor had many more appearances in DS9 than in TOS, so I'm not going to count that. IMO, it has to be multiple appearances in TOS, TAS, and the first six movies only.

And I don't think of the Shore Leave planet as an arc, so much as they just visited there twice. Otherwise, you might as well count the Tribbles as an arc. And Harry Mudd.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Wasn’t aware Spock’s mental health was wobbly..

They wrapped it up in him struggling against societal expectations and only brought it out when alien stuff was happening, but that boy was not happy.

That's why it meant so much at the end of the 2009 movie when he told his younger self, "Put aside logic. Do what feels right." after he'd lived his whole life trying so hard to conform, and struggling, failing (TMP) and suffering so much as a result.

 

[johnnybear]

The TOS Klingons were very much like ourselves to look at and just as sneaky and arrogant too, so made a great alien adversary for the Federation! The later versions were bound by honour and shouting about great days to die rather than getting on with it!!! While the Conker head design is just too silly for me, plus it disputes ENTs Augment virus!
JB

 

[Shawnster]

One of the best things ENT ever did was explain the reason for the differences between TOS Klingons and movie/TNG Klingons.

You misspelled "worst"

 

[Morgan Primus]

That's why it meant so much at the end of the 2009 movie when he told his younger self, "Put aside logic. Do what feels right." after he'd lived his whole life trying so hard to conform, and struggling, failing (TMP) and suffering so much as a result.

Thanks for the explaining more in depth. I think his choice to become more Vulcan than a full-blooded Vulcan caused him unnecessary struggles, but his perceptions of his father’s expectations of him probably fuelled that drive, as well.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

and another Trek connection can be found in that video clip too...

OK, I'll bite. What's the second connection?

 

[MAGolding]

Hey I have vegan friends they probably wouldn't appreciate that

He probably means aliens from a planet of the star Vega, or Alpha Lyrae, possibly the Vegan Tyranny mentioned in Jame Blish's Star Trek adaptations.

OK, I'll bite. What's the second connection?

Yes, what is the second connection?

 

[johnnybear]

It would have been a nicer touch to have put in a new race of baddies in a prequel show! Tying in the events of The Cage with the Rigel Four uprisings and all but of course the Klingons are all known in the series and if they say it's the same reality as Kirk's then it must be because they make da show!!!! But it's we fans who decide in the end!
Jb

 

[Qonundrum]

OK, I'll bite. What's the second connection?

Dang my short term memory... the number of times I keep forgetting I forget... must be Starbug's magnetic coils again...

Okay, I remember now. At 1:14: Ted Cassidy is a voice artist in one of the clips. He was in "What Are Little Girls Made Of" as an android. As the Fifth Doctor Who once said, "It's a small universe, isn't it?"

 

[Poltargyst]

You misspelled "worst"

Well I am glad that they provided an explanation rather than leaving it hanging. You didn't like HOW they explained it?

 

[johnnybear]

Dang my short term memory... the number of times I keep forgetting I forget... must be Starbug's magnetic coils again...

Okay, I remember now. At 1:14: Ted Cassidy is a voice artist in one of the clips. He was in "What Are Little Girls Made Of" as an android. As the Fifth Doctor Who once said, "It's a small universe, isn't it?"

Ted Cassidy was the voice for Balok, the puppet version at least, The rasps and slithering tones of the Gorn and an actual appearance as Ruk, the last of the Androids on Exo-III in What Are Little Girls Made of? Plus he arrived on the set of Bread And Circuses dressed as Indian Joe and carried William Shatner off into the distance!!!
What he wanted him for is beyond my knowledge but it drew quite a few laughs among the participants!
JB

 

[Poltargyst]

Ted Cassidy was Bigfoot in the Six Million Dollar Man. Wasn't his voice on The Incredible Hulk?

 

[Shawnster]

Well I am glad that they provided an explanation rather than leaving it hanging. You didn't like HOW they explained it?

I didn't like that they explained it. I didn't think it needed explained. I much preferred the suggestion Klingons always looked like that but bad TV reception distorted their appearance.

It was DS9 that started this. They should have had Dorn appear as a TOS Klingon in the time travel scenes