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News Variety Reports Robert Pattinson is the new Batman

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If you are inviting a hundred of your closest friends, it's almost justifiable.

If it's you, all by your self, just so you can watch the movie naked, well I guess that's almost justifiable too.

Pants are the worst things about going out into public.
 
It may be legal for a bubble like a family of millionaires, or just one person willing to spend 4 grand to hire out a movie theatre for just them selves to hire out the venue and watch the flick.

Ridiculous.

No one is that stupid with money.

If I had the money :p

I wouldn't have to put up with assholes talking in the cinema if they weren't in the cinema :devil:
 
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I think it is serious--but if they're teenagers they probably have never seen Batman 89. I didn't know anything about George Reeves Superman until I was in my twenties.
 
I think it is serious--but if they're teenagers they probably have never seen Batman 89. I didn't know anything about George Reeves Superman until I was in my twenties.

Yeah, fair point, though I always assume, with the accessibility of so many older films via the sort of media and platforms that were unimaginable when I was a kid (if something wasn’t aired on tv or out on video, you couldn’t get seeing it), that young people are more aware of and find it easier to see older films than was the case in my youth.
 
I think it is serious--but if they're teenagers they probably have never seen Batman 89. I didn't know anything about George Reeves Superman until I was in my twenties.

By the time I was a teenager, I'd seen many movies and shows that were made before my time. Back then, old movies and shows were routinely rerun on TV in syndication. I grew up immersed in '60s shows like Star Trek and Lost in Space and Batman and Gilligan's Island and Bewitched alongside the contemporary shows like Happy Days and Welcome Back, Kotter and The Bionic Woman and the like. Plus the Reeves Superman was perennially in reruns as well, so I saw plenty of that.

These days, such things seem to be mostly on home video and streaming and such and you have to actively seek them out in order to see them, so many people have less exposure to the culture of the past.
 
I've found more pre70s TV shows on Youtube than I ever thought existed much less watched growing up in the 60s and 70s. If teens don't find shows from that prehistory it's because they've got more interesting things to watch than dated formulaic TV and film from their grandparents' era.
 
I've found more pre70s TV shows on Youtube than I ever thought existed much less watched growing up in the 60s and 70s.

But you still had to go look for them, presumably, which means you already had the desire to look for them. My point is that younger people who aren't already motivated to seek out older shows and films are less likely to become aware of them. For us, we could find a plethora of old shows and movies in reruns any time we turned on the TV, so we were exposed to them without needing to have a pre-existing desire to look for them. These days, you have to seek them out in order to find them, so it's a lot easier for young people to remain oblivious to the past.

By the way, serious question: How do you find old shows on YouTube? I mean, if you don't already know what title to search for and just want to browse the options they have? I'm interested in finding more old shows to watch.

If teens don't find shows from that prehistory it's because they've got more interesting things to watch than dated formulaic TV and film from their grandparents' era.

Stuff from the '40s and '50s was just as "dated" for me when I was a kid, but I still enjoyed it. After all, how does a kid know the difference? Whatever you're exposed to in childhood, you accept as normal, because it's all you know. I could go see Star Wars in the theater and then come home and watch a Lost in Space rerun on TV, and the difference in production values and FX didn't stand out to me, because I was used to seeing productions from different eras all at the same time, since I always had for as long as I could remember. That's my point. It was routine for media from the past and present to coexist in my awareness, so there was no dividing line between "before I was born" and "after I was born." It was all just part of the mix.
 
I've found more pre70s TV shows on Youtube than I ever thought existed much less watched growing up in the 60s and 70s.
Exactly so. Claims to the contrary are literally nonsense.
If teens don't find shows from that prehistory it's because they've got more interesting things to watch than dated formulaic TV and film from their grandparents' era.

Not really. I watch current stuff as well. Other than the best 1% it's less about "interesting" and more about stimulating the organism. Works on lab rats, too. I suppose that was true thirty and forty years ago, but the studios were working with less data, had less at risk and were more likely to give some license to creative folks.
 
Though not to this extent, something like this happened to me once.

I saw the TOS movies before I saw all the TOS episodes. As such, I had no idea who Khan was in TWOK.
 
Not really. I watch current stuff as well. Other than the best 1% it's less about "interesting" and more about stimulating the organism. Works on lab rats, too. I suppose that was true thirty and forty years ago, but the studios were working with less data, had less at risk and were more likely to give some license to creative folks.

Granted, although I might maintain today's material is more interesting, or stimulating if you prefer, to them if only because how many tweeners want to watch old stuff except as a curiosity. It can be fun to hunt down references that derived from Three's Company or Bewitched but there's a world of other stuff to see online right at their finger tips.

But you still had to go look for them, presumably, which means you already had the desire to look for them. My point is that younger people who aren't already motivated to seek out older shows and films are less likely to become aware of them. For us, we could find a plethora of old shows and movies in reruns any time we turned on the TV, so we were exposed to them without needing to have a pre-existing desire to look for them. These days, you have to seek them out in order to find them, so it's a lot easier for young people to remain oblivious to the past.
No, they can find far more stuff far more easily than I ever could as a teen. I knew they were older than the latest shows because the TV Guide for indicating that, besides it was pretty obvious from the productions themselves that they were from another era. Teens can see any number of reruns and do in countless ways beyond what I ever had available. I've had plenty of young tweeners in my classes in Seoul who knew more TV shows from the 80s than I recalled and I lived through that decade.

By the way, serious question: How do you find old shows on YouTube? I mean, if you don't already know what title to search for and just want to browse the options they have? I'm interested in finding more old shows to watch.
Write classic TV or 50s tv or old comedies, or similar phrases into the search field. Something teens and retirees can find a lot of time to do is just sit around in front of a computer and look for random crap.



Stuff from the '40s and '50s was just as "dated" for me when I was a kid, but I still enjoyed it. After all, how does a kid know the difference? Whatever you're exposed to in childhood, you accept as normal, because it's all you know. I could go see Star Wars in the theater and then come home and watch a Lost in Space rerun on TV, and the difference in production values and FX didn't stand out to me, because I was used to seeing productions from different eras all at the same time, since I always had for as long as I could remember. That's my point. It was routine for media from the past and present to coexist in my awareness, so there was no dividing line between "before I was born" and "after I was born." It was all just part of the mix.
Kids and people from twenty or thirty years ago don't talk like kids today. The shows are structured differently and tell far different styles of story telling. A lot of reruns were boring and unwatchable. Most of them, in fact.
 
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I caught most of my classic TV on Nick at Night in the '90s when I was a kid. I'm Still a fan of F-Troop to this day. When Nick at Night stopped showing the old classics we lost the avenue for exposure. Now even if they are available for streaming, there's no reason for a kid to check them out without someone specifically suggesting it. And since it's no longer "the only thing good on right now" its harder to get enough momentum to make a fan.
 
I want to reach out to the kid and school him in some Bat-history. LOL..

It's amazing what you can find these days if you take a stroll through the upper reaches of your cable and satellite channels. I've been watching all kinds of old shows lately. I also discovered the Pluto Network, which I guess I get for free.. They have a classic Dr. Who channel, which I've been annoying my wife with. She's a fan of NuWho, but not so much the classic series. LOL.
 
Granted, although I might maintain today's material is more interesting, or stimulating if you prefer, to them if only because how many tweeners want to watch old stuff except as a curiosity. It can be fun to hunt down references that derived from Three's Company or Bewitched but there's a world of other stuff to see online right at their finger tips.


No, they can find far more stuff far more easily than I ever could as a teen.

You're still missing my point. Yes, you can find anything if you already want to look for it. But if you have no pre-existing desire to look, you won't try to find it, and so you'll have no idea it exists. What I'm saying is that when you and I were kids, we were constantly exposed to old stuff on TV whether we wanted to be or not, because it was just there already, without requiring any effort or will on our parts to seek it out. So we just osmosed knowledge of its existence. But in a media environment where you don't see anything unless you actively seek it out, then you can remain completely oblivious to the existence of entire genres, because it never occurred to you to look.

This is not a conversation about liking or interest in older stuff, it's a conversation about knowledge of its existence, e.g. whether someone could sincerely be unaware that Tim Burton made Batman movies. What I'm saying is that it's easier today to be ignorant of the existence of older fiction, because there are fewer mechanisms for being passively exposed to it, for just stumbling across it without trying or having it around in the background of your life. You only see what you know is there to seek out.

It's analogous to how fragmented people's political knowledge and opinions have become. Because everything is narrowcasted to the groups already receptive to it, people only hear the news and opinions they're predisposed to hear, rather than getting exposed to a diversity of viewpoints, and it makes people more ignorant and more limited to their echo chambers.


Teens can see any number of reruns and do in countless ways beyond what I ever had available. I've had plenty of young tweeners in my classes in Seoul who knew more TV shows from the 80s than I recalled and I lived through that decade.

And I'm not denying that people like that exist. Of course they do. I'm just saying I understand why it's possible for other young people to be completely unaware of those older things. People's knowledge and interests have gotten more fragmented as media have become more narrowcasted.


Write classic TV or 50s tv or old comedies, or similar phrases into the search field.

Oh, I was hoping there was some more organized, less haphazard option. Like some systematic, categorized index of what was available as full series, rather than having to sift through a bunch of clips and music videos and reviews and whatnot.


When Nick at Night stopped showing the old classics we lost the avenue for exposure. Now even if they are available for streaming, there's no reason for a kid to check them out without someone specifically suggesting it. And since it's no longer "the only thing good on right now" its harder to get enough momentum to make a fan.

Yes, that's exactly what I mean.
 
Though to get Batman 89, they need to choose it from among all of the media of 90s, 00s, and 10s. There's BvS and Justice League, three Nolan movies, four Arhkam games, Batman the Animated Series, Batman Beyond, LEGO Batman, numerous other animated series and specials, all the comic books at their digital fingertips, and so on. Even if you stumbled across the Schumacher films wouldn't guarantee you'd connect it with Burton/Keaton Batman.
 
I was just surprised, because I assumed if a person was aware of Tim Burton, and aware of Batman, they would be aware that Tim Burton directed a Batman movie.
When I first find out about a character, one of the first things I do is go to Wikipedia and see what movies, TV shows, video games, ect. they appeared in. And when I first hear about a director, I look them up and see what they've worked on. I had assumed that most other people did that too.
 
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