Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x02 - "Envoys"

[Kpnuts]

Boimler will grow and do heroic stuff. Mariner will grow and experience failure too. It's called character development.

Let's hope so...

I don't think they have the guts to show the white male showing up the black female, but I hope to be proved wrong.

 

[Michael]

Failing at her career and being demoted several times is kind of Mariner's backstory. I'm not sure why we have to wait for her to fail (more)?

This whole thing is a ridiculous argument.

 

[XCV330]

another fun episode. I really like this series. Rutherford is quickly becoming my favorite.

 

[rhllot]

It's possible that after Bashir "took down" Section 31, the organization was fully exposed.

Even oddo spoke of section 31 and the plan to annihilate the founders, it is clear that a few years after the war it is now a public organization as at one time NSA was secret and later it was public

 

[rhllot]

It's great that they have white eyebrows again

andorian in picard

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Even oddo spoke of section 31 and the plan to annihilate the founders, it is clear that a few years after the war it is now a public organization as at one time NSA was secret and later it was public

And it could have been more public(or at least more commonly known-about) 100+ years earlier during the DIS era.

 

[eschaton]

In this episode, Boimler is kind of meant to be the audience surrogate questioning Mariner's complicated backstory. They're intentionally lampshading, so they must have some sort of plan for how it's going to make sense.

 

[Michael]

In the previews we've seen Mariner …

Spoiler: A future episode

… in a gold uniform playing poker with the senior officers. This might be a flashback to how her last demotion went down. Or maybe not.

 

[Tim Thomason]

You mean “love letters” like “Relics”, “Trials and Tribble-ations” or the fourth season of Enterprise, which have been hugely unpopular with fans and critics?

He's referencing "These Are the Voyages...", the only episode publicly referred to as a "love letter to Star Trek".

Lower Decks is nothing like These Are the Voyages... or any other poorly conceived love letters. It's a thoughtful show with good references, an ongoing story and humorous dialogue. Like Relics or Trials or If Memory Serves, which I also don't consider to be love letters, but real episodes with real consequences and great continuity.

 

[Ometiklan]

In the previews we've seen Mariner …

Spoiler: A future episode

… in a gold uniform playing poker with the senior officers. This might be a flashback to how her last demotion went down. Or maybe not.

Doesn't seem like it fits to me. Since it is clear she is on the Cerritos, I think this is in the future. If she did something to get demoted on the Cerritos, she would have been transferred off the ship based on her parents' discussion in "Second Contact". I guess she could have been serving on the Cerritos before, gotten transferred, demoted, then transferred back to Cerritos, but that seems like more of a stretch than having her try something different on the Cerritos in the future - much like Rutherford in Envoys.

 

[Michael]

He's referencing "These Are the Voyages...", the only episode publicly referred to as a "love letter to Star Trek".

Lower Decks is nothing like These Are the Voyages... or any other poorly conceived love letters. It's a thoughtful show with good references, an ongoing story and humorous dialogue. Like Relics or Trials or If Memory Serves, which I also don't consider to be love letters, but real episodes with real consequences and great continuity.

Well, if we are being literal, “These are the Voyages …” has been called a “a valentine to Star Trek fans”, not “love letter”.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, if we are being literal, “These are the Voyages …” has been called a “a valentine to Star Trek fans”, not “love letter”.

Exactly. Love letters have entirely different history in Trek.

 

[NCC-73515]

andorian in picard

those are dark. and in disco they didn't have any, but secondary antennae instead.

 

[1001001]

So far, the show hits me just right. Maybe it's the times, but the humor is welcome and the nostalgic callbacks are comforting like a warm blanket.

It's good to be back in this time period.

 

[BillJ]

Maybe it's the times, but the humor is welcome and the nostalgic callbacks are comforting like a warm blanket.

It does make me think of better times in the world when I watch.

 

[BillJ]

Because Kirk showed humility and acknowledgment that he caused a problem he now has to fix.

I missed this TV series. Kirk more often than not, went in and broke the Prime Directive and reset societies to something he was more in-line with his values. As much as I love the character, I don't remember him ever showing humility or acknowledging he caused the problem.

 

[rhllot]

Tell that to Sloan.

Federation News probably had a field day when it was found out that Section 31 infected The Founders and Odo is the one who put a stop to it.

For all we know, one of the conditions of the Peace Treaty might've been that it be made known what Section 31 did in the spirit of transparency.

Like COINTELPRO, they were exposed. I don't doubt that something else probably replaced Section 31 afterwards, that no one knows anything about.

Section 31 in 2380 likely falls under "declassified". Although several of their actual activities probably aren't declassified. I don't know. I can't confirm or deny.

We all know that the CIA does bad things like train terrorists, but nobody has the documentary evidence of that. It is a public agency but many of its activities are secret

 

[rhllot]

those are dark. and in disco they didn't have any, but secondary antennae instead.

visually they are more in line with the Andorians we know than the ones we saw in DIS

 

[NCC-73515]

visually they are more in line with the Andorians we know than the ones we saw in DIS

exactly. they went back to the original style after disco changed them too much.

 

[Jedi_Master]

I enjoyed this episode. If felt like someone was trying to make a Galaxy Quest version of Star Trek, and it worked.