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Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x01 - "Second Contact"

Rate the episode...

  • 10 - Excellent!

    Votes: 34 13.9%
  • 9

    Votes: 38 15.6%
  • 8

    Votes: 75 30.7%
  • 7

    Votes: 38 15.6%
  • 6

    Votes: 20 8.2%
  • 5

    Votes: 11 4.5%
  • 4

    Votes: 10 4.1%
  • 3

    Votes: 4 1.6%
  • 2

    Votes: 3 1.2%
  • 1 - The lowliest lowest grade possible.

    Votes: 11 4.5%

  • Total voters
    244
Also: I hate when the polls don't allow you to see how everyone voted. I like knowing what different people thought.

I gave it a 2, because it was a great episode and this is "Lower Decks" and lower is better. All good episodes will get 1s or 2s from me, and only a 9 or 10 if it's really bad and 4, 5, or 6 if it's about average.

And like I did with Picard, I will give every episode that includes Seven of Nine in it a 7, regardless of quality.
 
Phew, read through the entire thread. Might have missed something. Here goes...

Does "Second Contact" pass the Bechdel Test?
 
Two women who talk to each other about something other than men? Yes. Mariner gives Tendi a tour of the ship (Boimler eventually leaves). That they eventually wind up in a all-male nude holodeck program doesn't discount the fact that she was describing various other things to Tendi beforehand.
 
I think people would be complaining if Mariner and the main guy switched positions and it was a guy in Mariner's role. Swinging the klingon weapon and accidentally injuring someone? Joking they should take their uniform off and then laughing as they chewed on by an alien, and their nakedness is a joke? A holodeck of naked women? It's a little weird that's funny in this case and I hope the jokes get a little less mean spirited to that main character.
 
I think people would be complaining if Mariner and the main guy switched positions and it was a guy in Mariner's role. Swinging the klingon weapon and accidentally injuring someone? Joking they should take their uniform off and then laughing as they chewed on by an alien, and their nakedness is a joke? A holodeck of naked women? It's a little weird that's funny in this case and I hope the jokes get a little less mean spirited to that main character.

It looks like a good portion of the jokes are going to be aimed at the Ensign Purple Hair.
 
I gave it a 2, because it was a great episode and this is "Lower Decks" and lower is better. All good episodes will get 1s or 2s from me, and only a 9 or 10 if it's really bad and 4, 5, or 6 if it's about average.

And like I did with Picard, I will give every episode that includes Seven of Nine in it a 7, regardless of quality.

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I've always thought that was a stupid idea, for the same reason anything depicting flying cars being the default is stupid. Too many failure modes, including those of human (or humanoid) fallibility.

But that's like saying we should go back to horse-drawn wagons because cars have too high a "failure rate" and are too unreliable. Yes, cars have more that could go wrong than a wagon (though wagons are obviously far from infallible) and do, of course, have problems, but the technology is SO much better and so mostly reliable that it's absurd to even suggest such a thing.

Anti-gravity conveyances are obviously very, very, very reliable in Star Trek since they're literally everywhere and to suddenly say, "oh, except we need a jeep this one time, despite being vastly inferior" makes zero sense.

It's the same reason why suddenly dropping speeder bikes (but with treads!) into "Rise of Skywalker" was insanely stupid.
 
Anti-gravity conveyances are obviously very, very, very reliable in Star Trek since they're literally everywhere and to suddenly say, "oh, except we need a jeep this one time, despite being vastly inferior" makes zero sense.

Starfleet may not want to put all its technological cards on the table while still working with a new race.
 
I think people would be complaining if Mariner and the main guy switched positions and it was a guy in Mariner's role. Swinging the klingon weapon and accidentally injuring someone? Joking they should take their uniform off and then laughing as they chewed on by an alien, and their nakedness is a joke? A holodeck of naked women? It's a little weird that's funny in this case and I hope the jokes get a little less mean spirited to that main character.

Usually when you have a character like Mariner, a doesn't-play-by-the-rules quasi-anarchist, their targets are appropriately the stuffy authority figures and bureaucrats (or their bootlicking toadies) who deserve to be taken down a peg.

Not a hapless, but utterly well-intentioned goof who just wants to do a good job.

It's definitely mean-spirited and poorly conceived. Bleh.
 
Starfleet may not want to put all its technological cards on the table while still working with a new race.

I actually had the same thought when the officers beamed out in front of them. Starfleet should be very careful about that sort of thing. Even if a species has developed warp technology, thus catalyzing a first contact scenario, it doesn't mean they have ALL of the Fed's amazing tech and Starfleet should be more careful about concealing their cool stuff to not unduly influence the other species.

but that's clearly never bothered them before. They beam constantly in the "First Contact" episode, for example.

So, I think it's hard to make that case at this point. Anti-grav tech is pretty small potatoes compared to beaming.
 
So, I think it's hard to make that case at this point. Anti-grav tech is pretty small potatoes compared to beaming.

Is it though? It may seem more menial, but the science behind it could be far more complex.
 
I think people would be complaining if Mariner and the main guy switched positions and it was a guy in Mariner's role. Swinging the klingon weapon and accidentally injuring someone? Joking they should take their uniform off and then laughing as they chewed on by an alien, and their nakedness is a joke? A holodeck of naked women? It's a little weird that's funny in this case and I hope the jokes get a little less mean spirited to that main character.

Yep. It's one of the many examples of double standards in today's society, but you just have to shrug your shoulders and move on.

As long as Mariner isn't correct/the hero every week and they actually give Boimler a chance to shine, it'll be fine.
 
Is it though? It may seem more menial, but the science behind it could be far more complex.

Teleportation is so wildly fanciful as to basically be magic. The energy output not to mention computing power necessary to pull it off are absolutely staggering. (read "The Physics of Star Trek" for more if you're truly interested.)

"Anti-gravity" tech already exists. We already have things that can fly, hover and float.

So, yeah, it ain't more complex than beaming.
 
I did notice they made a mistake in Lt. Shaxs rank at the end of the episode in the ships bar. He has Lieutenant pips all through the episode, at the end they gave him an extra pip.

A wormhole opened up, sucking up Encounter at Farpoint-era Data's pip from "All Good Things" and deposited it here.
 
Teleportation is so wildly fanciful as to basically be magic. The energy output not to mention computing power necessary to pull it off are absolutely staggering. (read "The Physics of Star Trek" for more if you're truly interested.)

I'm a Star Trek nerd, I know about the power requirements to pull it off. :lol:

"Anti-gravity" tech already exists. We already have things that can fly, hover and float.

The Galadonians seemed pretty simple. Do they have things that can fly, hover and float? But, just because we have certain things now, doesn't mean Federation anti-gravity technology is in any way related.
 
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