It could be that those designs were easier to incorporate 24th-Century technology for whatever reasons, but the Constitution-class systems may have been a clusterf
k after its refit and didn't take well to TNG tech.
Why was the Constitution refit never seen in TNG or thereafter/
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k after its refit and didn't take well to TNG tech.
My bad, I sometimes mix up the shot from BOBW with Unificiation due to them both using the same Ent-D shot and camera move.
Nacelle, too.
I'm going to assume they still have Constitution Class ships in the 24th Century and we just didn't see them in action. Much like the Sovereign Class was around, but we didn't see it on DS9.
The fact that the remains of Constitution Class ships can be seen in the aftermath of battles means they were in service until at least around the time of "The Best of Both Worlds". Similarly, the Crossfield Class -- in some form -- made it to that time as well.
The fact that the remains of Constitution Class ships can be seen in the aftermath of battles means they were in service until at least around the time of "The Best of Both Worlds". Similarly, the Crossfield Class -- in some form -- made it to that time as well.
The TMP Enterprise nacelle, or the Galaxy class nacelle? I know there was the nacelle that was shot off of the Reliant that served as wreckage in the past, and a standalone destroyed Galaxy nacelle Greg Jein built for BoBW.
Unfortunately, since we only saw standalone wrecked saucers and a part of the wrecked secondary hull (sans saucer), one could argue that they were not in fact from a Constitution class ship, but rather just similar components on a different class ship. Also, the parts were so wrecked that one really couldn't tell that they came from a complete Constitution class starship.
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Or studying gaseous anomalies for the last three fucking years and acting like this is a success in their career.
and no ambassador class even though they were a relatively new class compared to a 70 plus year-old excelsior class.
Or studying gaseous anomalies for the last three fucking years and acting like this is a success in their career.
Yea that's...weird. Dunno why that line made it through? Why not just say 'Finished our 3 year Mission' or 'About to finish our 3 year mission along the Klingon Border'? Same with the Impulse line. I guess it was so early in the script they never cared to look over it.
and then the have enterprise saying they have been studying gaseous anomalies towards the end of of the movie like we forgot that it was the excelsior.
The Excelsior's omnipresence throughout TNG had mostly to do with the fact they just kept reusing the same stock shots of the Enterprise and the Hood from Farpoint. Since they had those go-to shots ready to use, and anything with an Ambassador class would have to be new footage, well, cheaper and easier won out. Then after filming the Battle of Wolf 359 for the opening scene of Emissary on DS9, the Ambassador model got damaged and couldn't be used again.
Actually, the damage to the Ambassador model wasn’t all that bad. One nacelle had just broken off of its pylon. But by that time they just didn’t bother to fix it because they probably thought they’d never need to use it again as a guest ship, since they had both the Enterprise-D and the newer Nebula class model available for that.
That might not be the right answer, but if it were it would be understandable.
Sternbach’s Ambassador looks to fall between the TOS Enterprise and the Ent-D, both TV ships...the refit only seen in the movies.
The Reliant model was obviously not an Enterprise, and they gave in to using that, in its many roll-bar free forms.
I was hoping that a remastered TNG would have all 24th Century ships, with years given to re-shoot new scenes with period tech.
It might well be a Reliant nacelle, I can't say for sure. (Re-reading my post, I realize I should have written clearer. My intention was to point out that the nacelle was not from a Galaxy, and didn't intend to imply that that nacelle definitely came from a Constitution refit.) If they had one lying around for similar use, I'd say you were right. But it's definitely a movie-era nacelle, and only recently got corrected to a Galaxy nacelle in the CGI version they did for What We Left Behind.
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I watched the comparison video, and you're right: it is a Constitution refit nacelle that goes flying. My memory got jogged. I seem to recall reading that Gary Hutzel saved a nacelle from one of the breakaway models of the Saratoga in "Emissary" and reused it for this scene. So I was wrong: it wasn't from the Reliant, it was from the Saratoga.
Come to think of it, they even recycled the Daedalus class, so how is it that the refit was worse off than THAT ship?
Not sure what you’re talking about. No Daedalus class was ever seen on screen.
Because the PTB had no faith in the audiences intelligence to be able to separate the Enterprise from the Constitution-Class and understand that there might still be a Connie in service that wasn't anything to do with Kirk's ship.
The closest we got the Daedalus-Class was a model in Sisko's office, which is a shame because I'd love to see her in action.
The closest we got the Daedalus-Class was a model in Sisko's office, which is a shame because I'd love to see her in action.
Technically youre correct, but wasnt the USS Pasteur (in All Good Things) essentially a refit Daedalus? It sure looks like one, even though its referred to as an "Olympic class". And that was supposedly set 20 odd years in the future from TNG.
I see the only thing on the Pasteur that resembles the Daedalus is a spherical primary hull. I assume the Pasteur is much larger than the puny Daedalus. YMMV
.the overall configuration is the same, only the nacelles look newer and the secondary hull has a distinctly rectangular shape instead of cylindrical. It doesnt seem like a stretch to say that the Olympic class is a derivative of the Daedalus. I guess its a matter of opinion on that though
