I like that they included the legend of the two bears, fighting for control of your soul. There are other versions of it, some from other cultures, some using wolves or other predators as the animal avatar. It's a powerful legend, and the final line of it will change your life.
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I've heard the wolves version, but I've never heard it as bears. The Wikipedia article only mentions the wolf version and a couple of variants with dogs. I figured they changed the wolves to bears to fit the Demon Bear story they're adapting.
Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what it is. I didn't think it was at all based on anything real so, by comparison, changing wolves to bears seems minor.
I get annoyed when shows treat the scorpion one as if it were some obscure tale that most of the characters have never heard of. Just once I'd like it to go, "There's a legend about a frog who meets a scorpion--" "Yeah, and the scorpion stings the frog and dies because it's his nature. We all know that one."
Also, I hate that fable. It's so cynical, the assumption that nobody can change and people who do bad things are just irredeemable beasts. Okay, some people are too far gone to change, but not everyone.
I have always interpreted as being people cannot change their base nature even if it means their own destruction. And we see this playing out right now with COVID 19 denials and climate change deniers.
Here is a link to the origin:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog#Origins
Uhh, yes, I know what the explicitly stated point of the story is. I'm not ignorant of the point. I disagree with the point. As I already said, I think it's cynical and wrong to assume that's true of everyone.
I think we've all been unnecessarily schooled on something we already knew around here. 
I thought you were saying the point was people are vicious, which would be even more cynical. I don't think it is true of everyone necessarily, but I do think it is representative of the majority.
That is not at all what I was saying.
Interesting, so I wonder how it went from being Russian, to be attributed to Native Americans.
Who attributed it to Native Americans? You were the one who brought up the scorpion fable when we were discussing the wolf/bear thing. I thought you just meant it was a similarly oft-quoted adage in TV and movies.
Maybe you're thinking of Voyager: "Scorpion," where Chakotay told the story. He never said it was an indigenous legend, though, just "a story I heard as a child, a parable."
Come to think of it, that's where I first heard the fable, and that's why I've never liked it, because its cynicism is incongruous for Star Trek.
I quoted his words verbatim from the transcript. The word "tribe" is not spoken in either part of "Scorpion."
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