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Agents of SHIELD First Time Viewing

Huh, is this Hunter and Bobby being written out of the show, or is it a temporary thing where they get dragged back in later? I'd be surprised if they let anyone leave without being 24ed.
 
I see Daisy as a bit of an infantilizing name. Which I think was the point to show Cal’s perception of Daisy. But as a badass adult being called it by her badass friends it just feels awkward.

Makes me think of a dainty five year old girl in 1950 trying to help Mommy with the cooking.
The name and character are actually from the comics, she was introduced in the Secret War miniseries in 2004.
 
I’m in the middle of the episode with the homeless guy that gives people visions.

It feels in this episode like they’re debating the time travel rules of this universe, whether it works like Lost where you can’t change the future or like Terminator where you can.

But doesn’t this contradict with Endgame where you can but it creates a divergent timeline? And all the stuff with Dr Strange seeing billions of possible futures?

The big question here is, what did the Hydra guy see in his vision?
 
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I don't want to get into how the show handles time travel because doing so would provide spoilers for the current season. However, pay close attention to this episode. It plays into events in future seasons.
 
I’m in the middle of the episode with the homeless guy that gives people visions.

It feels in this episode like they’re debating the time travel rules of this universe, whether it works like Lost where you can’t change the future or like Terminator where you can.

But doesn’t this contradict with Endgame where you can but it creates a divergent timeline? And all the stuff with Dr Strange seeing billions of possible futures?
No, it's about the same as Endgame. The 4th dimension is always there and cannot be changed...it's just not the only 4th dimension. There are infinite 4th dimensions, each one branching off every time one or more particles in the universe interact where the outcome is less than 100% certain....which is happening all the time at effectively all points in space.

What was happening in Endgame was that they were using the quantum realm to backtrack along their timeline's path to a certain point, then the moment they emerged they were no longer in their own universe but a functionally identical one that branched off the moment they arrived. Which is why nothing they "changed" actually changed anything in their present. The danger with the branching timelines in those instances is that they involved realities where the infinity stones had been removed, opening those universes up to dangers that transcend the physical universe and could potentially endanger all of reality....hence the need to put them back where and when they came from.

What's happening in this episode is that as Fitz said: Daisy has glimpsed the 4th dimension. The act of viewing *a* future locks it into being *the* future. Cause and effect running backwards in time, essentially.

Of course it's never going to 100% line up or make sense; partly because actual quantum physics is inherently counter intuitive, and partly because it's all just fiction and the demands of storytelling must always come first.
The big question here is, what did the Hydra guy see in his vision?
The same thing everyone else that made contact with Charles saw...
 
So, when Fitz says the future they saw was unavoidable, he was just wrong?

In Endgame, it was pretty clear that putting back the stones prevented a divergent timeline, and very clear those rules don't apply to Dr Strange's search for the one winning timeline.
 
So, when Fitz says the future they saw was unavoidable, he was just wrong?
No, he was basically right in terms of causality. As I illustrated, the circumstances were different.
In Endgame, it was pretty clear that putting back the stones prevented a divergent timeline, and very clear those rules don't apply to Dr Strange's search for the one winning timeline.
Strange had the time stone; the thing that controls and regulates all time in the universe. It can do pretty much anything time related, up to and including ripping the universe apart if you're really really careless. Charles didn't have one of those, he just has a bio-engineered ability. So by viewing a possible future he essentially collapsed the wave function making it the ONLY possible future. It's a causal loop.

ETA: It occurs to me that not everyone is up on basic quantum physics (though to be fair, even quantum physicists basically just shrug and go "I don't know mate, like cats in boxes travel backwards in time or something?") so here's a fun and only slightly brain-melty video on the the single particle doubly slit experiment that should cover the basic gist of wave functions and the basis of the many worlds interpretation.
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If you weren't already paranoid that the universe is actively taking the piss just for giggles, you will be now...Also if you feel like you understood all of that then you're probably doing it wrong.
 
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I suspected that Daisy was the infected one the moment she tricked her friends into entering isolation. That just doesn't seem like her style.

That's an interesting twist, anyone else I'd expect their imminent doom, but with her it means there'll probably be a cure and when they go to finally kill Hive, taking a risk and capturing her vs killing her will be a thing.
 
As you're approaching the end of the third season, I want to remind you that there is essentially a half-hour mini episode available on YouTube that features the entire cast that largely takes place in between season 3 and 4. The bulk of the story takes place in between seasons 3 and 4 anyway. The framing sequence takes place between episodes 4.08 and 4.09, so it might be slightly spoilery to watch it in between seasons. That said, I don't even want to give you the title to look for because it may be considered slightly spoilery to the season you're watching.
 
As you're approaching the end of the third season, I want to remind you that there is essentially a half-hour mini episode available on YouTube that features the entire cast that largely takes place in between season 3 and 4. The bulk of the story takes place in between seasons 3 and 4 anyway. The framing sequence takes place between episodes 4.08 and 4.09, so it might be slightly spoilery to watch it in between seasons. That said, I don't even want to give you the title to look for because it may be considered slightly spoilery to the season you're watching.
What is the name of it. I missed it! Or a link? Or something??
 
I'll look up the name of it after I get through 4.8.

Yet another similarity between Hive and Jasmine, the way he affects people's minds to make them love him. The only difference is for Hive it only works in Inhumans.
 
I'll look up the name of it after I get through 4.8.

Yet another similarity between Hive and Jasmine, the way he affects people's minds to make them love him. The only difference is for Hive it only works in Inhumans.

What episode are you on? You might be close to the end of Season 3 and I'm curious how you thought it all came together. I consider season 3 my favorite season mainly because of how it all came together, especially when the Space Zepher scene was finally revealed in context.
 
I think 3.20 is next. They just killed the Cri warriors and Lincoln injected himself with the cure that didn’t work so Daisy offered up her blood.

I’m not sure how it’ll all come together. I’m suspecting Hive will try to deploy a weaponized something from the ship we saw in the vision. Daisy getting a cure and Daisy resisting the control seem too simple for the outcome.
 
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