Just like in real life, some people just cannot be redeemed.
Do you believe Kai Winn redeemed herself?
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I'm not sure I agree with that.
Speaking of headdress, the peculiar headdress that she wore when she was a vedek always reminded me of the Sydney opera house.
Winn was quite a diva.
Oddly enough, at one point in the series, Winn held the position of First Minister of Bajor, simultaneously while being the Kai. She didn't win (no pun intended) a popular election to get the job, though. She was appointed.
However, she declined to run for reelection, when she realized she couldn't beat the popular Shakaar, so there was no reelection win for Winn.
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Are we counting sociopaths?
I think there’s some crimes like murder and rape that can never be redeemed by any amount of change of heart.
Like, if Hitler decided that he was wrong for murdering millions of Jews, and decided to be good from now on, would he absolved?
Agreed.
Speaking of headdress, the peculiar headdress that she wore when she was a vedek always reminded me of the Sydney opera house.
Wondering if it was meant as a vague analogy to the papal tiara (triple crown).
Yes, Winn became First Minister upon the death of the nameless First Minister. I don't recall why it was Winn who assumed the position, whether it was the Bajoran government council that appointed her to the position or whatever the process was. But Winn was, for a brief period of time, concurrently the Kai and the First Minister.
Also, it might be more accurate to say that Winn withdrew her candidacy for reelection for First Minister after the popular Shakaar declared his candidacy. Had she stayed in the race, it would have been a no win situation for Winn.
The Winn/Dukat relationship was interesting. On the one hand, toward the end, I found it amusing when the two of them started to act like a bickering couple. It was kind of funny when they traded insults, especially the scenes in the fire caves.
On the other hand, there was something really unappealing in seeing the two of them become physically intimate. It was unappetizing.
On a secular level, Winn did not redeem herself, imo. After she found out that Anjohl was really Dukat, she continued to ally herself with him.
Granted, she did kick Anjohl out onto the streets briefly, but she continued to work with him. Dukat was sort of the epitome of the brutal subjugation of her people. Dukat had lots of Bajoran blood on his hands. If the Bajoran people ever found out about this, I don't know if they could ever forgive her.
Whether Winn redeemed herself in the eyes of the Prophets, that's another matter.
She did not redeem herself...but i the end when she shouted to warn the emissary...at least she realized what was up.
Speaking of headdress, the peculiar headdress that she wore when she was a vedek always reminded me of the Sydney opera house.
Winn was quite a diva.
Oddly enough, at one point in the series, Winn held the position of First Minister of Bajor, simultaneously while being the Kai. She didn't win (no pun intended) a popular election to get the job, though. She was appointed.
However, she declined to run for reelection, when she realized she couldn't beat the popular Shakaar, so there was no reelection win for Winn.
It may have been an inspiration...
And what if the Shakaar went to the middle of the galaxy one day with the Orb of Time and became imprisoned there, after his acolytes left and told everyone of Sha-Ka-Ree?
Oh noes, it's small universe syndrome again! 
Nothing was said in the episodes of his fate. I wanted to see more of him, too. He was interesting.
Odd footnote, he was never credited in those episodes. I found out the reason behind it was he didn't want to seem to be doing it for exposure, and he took the role because his kids are fans.
Odd footnote, he was never credited in those episodes. I found out the reason behind it was he didn't want to seem to be doing it for exposure, and he took the role because his kids are fans.
I used to think that she did, but no longer believe that.
Kai Winn didn't help Sisko in the end for any other reason than her own selfish feelings. She was hurt that the Pah-Wraiths chose Dukat as their emissary and not her. That is the only reason she tried to stop Dukat.
Winn died truly caring about no one but herself.
Kai Winn didn't help Sisko in the end for any other reason than her own selfish feelings. She was hurt that the Pah-Wraiths chose Dukat as their emissary and not her. That is the only reason she tried to stop Dukat.
Winn died truly caring about no one but herself.
Yes if he had a soft spot for Burnham
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