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Kirk's Television Enterprise Deck Plans WIP

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You´re using a TOS-R CGI shot as evidence? I´m shocked

Sometimes I even amaze myself. :rolleyes: I thought the CGI shot captured the height of the Bridge personnel somewhat accurately and was more helpful to simulate available deck heights.

Or ARE they windows at all? OK, I won't restart that debate

THANK YOU! :klingon:

The circular briefing room (which we see only used for official staff meetings in The Cage) had already become the more casual briefing "lounge" by WNMHGB. As the larger, more practical briefing rooms of the main series became available to our characters (following a minor refit, no doubt) I can see the old Briefing Lounge being used exclusively as a recreation area from then on.

You´re right, it may be that we simply don´t see that particular briefing room anymore in later episodes. OTOH, the circular shape of that room calls for being located either at the center of a deck or in that circular space beneath the bridge. Agreed?

It’s a wee bit more complicated. The “briefing lounge” we saw first in “The Cage” is on the same deck / set as Pike’s cabin (Pike somehow uses an unseen door of the lounge, crosses it and arrives in the corridor leading to his cabin), compare my draft in this thread for Main Deck 4 (though I’m tempted to locate it on Deck 3 in the next draft – Pike’s little green thingy above his bed just matches too nicely the little porthole on the teardrop). The door of the briefing lounge extends straight into this corridor.

The “conference lounge” we saw in WNMHGB has a different placement of the ceiling elements on the support struts (IIRC, that’s the transporter chamber ceiling, too), its door only leads to a corridor somewhat surrounding the lounge. These two items suggest we are looking at a different lounge, IMHO.

Bob

P.S.

Just reread my Deck 3 & 4 comments from last year. My rationalization was similar to Mytran's, except that I suggested some space inside the saucer became available for a new briefing room so that the "conference lounge" on Deck 2 could be removed.
 
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Just a quick heads-up for anybody interested in discussing the interiors and in particular the cabin design, starting at post # 74 in this BBS thread.

I also just realized, I forgot to feature Ensign Chekov's Deck 5 cabin on the corresponding deck plan draft. According to "The Ultimate Computer" his cabin was neither on Deck 4 or 6. ;)

Bob
 
Ahem...yes (this is the true reason, I screwed up). On the other hand I wanted to see if anybody was paying attention (this would be the "official" explanation :lol:).

Thanks Mytran!

Bob
 
Sorry for resurrecting a seemingly dead thread, but I'm curious if there's been any progress on this project! I really enjoyed reading the thread (though it took me a couple days) and the plans you've been creating look quite good so far.

I also wanted to make a couple notes, if that's okay! First is that the idea you had for different deck numbering schemes for the two different hulls is not without precedent. On carriers, decks above the main deck are referred to as levels, while those below the main deck are called decks, and they have their own individual numberings. I found a web page that explains this, and even gives a description of the compartment addressing—which look suspiciously similar to the compartment addresses seen on door plaques in the TOS Enterprise. Obviously it's not identical to what you've come up with, but there's enough similarity there that I think you're well justified in using your system.

Second, since you're accepting the bridge fly-in intro to 'The Cage', I think it's interesting to also note that, peering through the dome, the turbolift door doesn't line up at all with that cylinder on the back of the exterior of the bridge that we tend to think of as being the turbolift. (At least that's what FJ and almost all fan blueprints and deck plans have thought of it as.) This is apparent in that shot on both the original episode and TOS-R episode. It therefore has the captain's chair and helm facing forward along the centreline of the ship, as opposed to the 36° offset from FJ et al. I do think, though, that the cylinder was intended by MJ to be the turbolift, and in those shots it also doesn't look like there's enough room in the rim of the bridge superstructure to house the turbolift in that configuration. But since you've increased the size of the Big E for your deck plans, yours would have enough room. That opens up the possibility of that structure being something other than the turbolift.

Finally, publish mentioned the possibility of including some Gold Key comics locations, but given how the Enterprise is represented in those comics, I'd advise ignoring them altogether.
 
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Hello everyone. Since I never felt that the USS Enterprise deck plans by Franz Joseph Schnaubelt represented the ship as seen on television (except for the bridge), it had been my desire to accommodate, combine and arrange the original studio sets in the most credible way possible and in a manner the Brandon character from Galaxy Quest would have probably done it.

My special thanks go to various Trek BBS participants, which still have an equal unwavering interest in the Original Series’ Enterprise and encouraged me to make my drafts available for discussion. Timing couldn’t be better as a long time friend of mine (with CAD skills light years ahead of mine) is currently doing exterior views of the old Enterprise and will eventually use these deck plan drafts as storyboards for CAD deck plans.

These deck plans are (currently) based on following theories:

1. In real life the USS Enterprise would have a length of 1,080 feet.
2. There are 16 engineering decks in the engineering hull (according to Whitfield’s The Making of Star Trek) where deck numbering starts at the top of the neck pylon below the primary or saucer hull (if this were not the case the height of the engineering decks would be lower than seen in the series).
3. The yellow circle at the bottom of the engineering hull belongs to a structure that extends into the ship and conveniently justifies the existence of circular corridors inside the engineering hull.
4. The radius of the original studio sets’ circular corridor can either be reduced (e.g. engineering hull) or enhanced (outer rim of saucer hull) to create a variety of locations aboard the USS Enterprise which are not just limited to the interior corridors of a few saucer decks. A good canon example that justifies this procedure is the opening scene of Journey to Babel (Kirk, McCoy and Spock walk down "Kirk's corridor" and then make a 180° U-turn into the same corridor, differently 'dressed'. One of these corridors has a different radius than the original studio set)
5. The Enterprise has at least two engine rooms, i.e. the “Engine Control Room” in the saucer hull near the impulse deck (especially Court Martial and Space Seed – it had to stand in for the engine room in the engineering hull during Season One) and the “Engineering Section” in the engineering hull (Season Two and Three with the possible exception of Day of the Dove).
6. A diagonal turbo shaft connects the saucer and the engineering hull (a passenger in the turbo lift car couldn’t tell by the passing lights whether movement is vertical or diagonal).

The mission goals are
A) to recreate the ship’s corridors and locations as seen on the show(s) (i.e. from The Cage to the ENTERPRISE episode In a Mirror, Darkly) and later fill in the blank spots with rooms and components as Matt Jefferies hopefully would have done it given the task.
B) to present a feasible turbo lift system that makes sense.
C) to try to make these deck plans look good and believable.

This is a work in progress starting with the engineering hull deck plans that have been assembled by dissecting and assembling copies of the studio set plans from all three seasons (including some homemade reconstructions, i.e. the corridors from Where No Man Has Gone Before and In a Mirror, Darkly).
Constructive feedback is much appreciated. Live long and prosper and enjoy!

Engineering Deck 14: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/42om8cmlxqta8hn/gxvjE9apMA/USS Enterprise Engineering Deck 14 Uncompressed Version 2.2.JPG

Rewatching TOS I felt that the first season was somehow bound in the engineering hull. Possibly for upgrades in the saucer hull – following events in Where No Man Has Gone Before where many things were noticeably different – Kirk had to take provisional quarters on (Engineering) Deck 12 and probably Dr. McCoy, too (The Man Trap reveals an exterior window above his bed). Janice Rand’s quarters might be permanently on this deck (as a yeoman she should technically share her quarters, but as Captain’s yeoman she seems to enjoy certain privileges but only gets her own cabin on Deck 12) and then there is a transporter room on Deck 14 (lower than that we’d have problems assigning useful functions to the bottom exterior hatches of the ship, IMHO).

In an interview Doug Drexler conducted with production designer Matt Jefferies (RIP) in the 1970’s for the Star Trek Posterbooks Matt Jefferies stated his design strategy: “identification by association”. Therefore I have no doubts whatsoever that what we see in Kirk’s, Mudd’s and McCoy’s quarters are exterior windows closed by shutters (probably because they ran out of budget to do the VFX or these looked like crap). Thus I started these deck plans on Deck 12 to adjust the orientation of the (two) studio sets to bring these quarters to the corresponding position: http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x06hd/muddswomenhd146.jpg
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x05hd/theenemywithinhd138.jpg
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x06hd/muddswomenhd395.jpg
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x01-2-hd/themantraphd484.jpg

Because of this the two transporter rooms two decks lower were first diagonally aligned but I felt it looked bad, so for Deck 14 I readjusted the orientation to have both transporter rooms near a central axis running through the ship (after all, who says that the “Environmental Engineering Only” ladders have to connect to more than two decks?).

The corridor used by Kirk and Captain Christopher in Tomorrow Is Yesterday is a late addition and the result of “Janice’s corridor” two decks above. The turbo lift near the transporter room might be an exit-only turbo lift (we’ve seen only people exiting this one but never entering it), it may be debatable whether it was also seen in Elaan of Troyius (judging by the lights in the turbo lift shaft).

The latest addition was the medical ward in the center. Ironically, this is a rare occasion where the strange curvature of the bed section from all seasons makes almost perfect sense (the corridor should still be a little tighter). Since I presume a medical ward in the engineering hull would be specialized in handling radiation burns (a daily hazard for the engineering personnel) I think this one is (Dr. M’Benga or Dr. Sanchez in charge) and since the Cestus III surviving Lieutenant had radiation burns I’d like to believe that the medical ward scene from Arena took place here. http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x18hd/arenahd151.jpg

Engineering Deck 13: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/42om8cmlxqta8hn/g6rR1mHsnQ/USS Enterprise Engineering Deck 13 Uncompressed.JPG

Engineering Deck 13 is better known as the “Hangar Deck Shuttlecraft” judging by the deck marker seen in The Doomsday Machine. I believe that decks with a certain known function are not referred to by numbers but by alphabetic letters in crew’s lingo instead (like “B deck” in Court Martial aka crew’s quarters “Berth deck” or main deck number 6).

I’m somewhat undecided whether to sacrifice the “Science Library” from Dagger of the Mind for a later added brig cell. And I seem to be having a problem fitting Nomad’s top security cell from The Changeling into the section. I also believe that the Medical Ward from WNM should go to the port bow. http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x09hd/daggerofthemindhd064.jpg

Engineering Deck 12: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/42om8cmlxqta8hn/fSxjWCE2CH/USS Enterprise Engineering Deck 12 Uncompressed Version 2.2 001.jpg

Engineering Deck 12 is the one that started this project. Here we see two variations of the corridor set with the strange angle from WNM (where three different locations of this corridor were shown in the beginning of the alternate version / edit!) of which I first didn’t know whether this corridor was a curse or a blessing. Near Janice’s cabin the angle helps to bring this kind of (upgraded) corridor to a nice conclusion parallel to the central axis on the port bow (possibly a medical ward there, too, as seen in WNM). Alternately, in its original version it aligns nicely with the H deck corridor below and the turbo lift location from Let That Be on the starboard stern. A last minute addition is the stern corridor from ENT. Why mirror universe Archer and his men needed to enter the tri-ladder tube here to get all the way to the main level of engineering a few decks above, I cannot answer as I’d rather expect this kind of tri-ladder tube in the neck pylon (similar to TWOK: http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twok/ch11/twok0874.jpg). I presume it added to the pirate theme of the episode and made it look as if they were climbing the mast of a ship (my 0.02 $). http://ent.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/4x19/inamirrordarkly2_296.jpg

The engineering deck plan drafts for 11, 10, 9 and 8 will follow soon.

Bob
 
Befor you for get this that the tv show enterprise ncc 1701 is only 882' long and as for metric it is only 262 M long, if you are looking for the movie ncc 1701A that one is 1000' long. You should read up on this people I had to look it up and people did not
I'm curious where you got this 882' length from; even if you go by the miniature's length (using the saucer diameter as a benchmark for the "official" 947' length) then it comes out at 938' due to slight irregularities in the way the various components were assembled.

However, there are several features in TOS (shuttlebay, ceiling height of the sets, the offset turbolift by the Bridge) that point to the Enterprise being considerably larger than the "official" length - anywhere from 1,100' to 1,500' is quite feasible and still not contradicted by an onscreen dialogue
 
The 947' length of the ship is visible in a graphic ... so there's that.
The rest we should assume as 'Hollywood Error'.
 
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The graphic in Enterprise Incident? Well, aside from the fact that the numbers are not very clear, the starship in that graphic had several clear differences from the Enterprise we see each week, not least in the shape of the secondary hull.

WHICH Enterprise that we see each week? They're all pretty different. (And, the smaller mini has that weird bulb thing. No idea why THAT got to be the offficial artwork for so long.) But, really, when you know that some of the differences are explicitly BECAUSE of the Hollywood issues (like the tall wall heights), you got to start deciding what to wiggle and what to waggle.
 
Kind of my point - when it comes to TOS, there is no definitive "that's that" moment. Onscreen graphics that are too blurry to see contrasting with differing model and model designs, internal sets being designed to accommodate 1960s film equipment, tie-in liteary publications that bear little resemblance to what was seen on the show, shuttlecraft with TARDIS-like powers, the list goes on.

However, this is not necessarily a bad thing, since it gives every viewer the power to interpret TOS to his or own preferences, and everyone's interpretation is as right (or as wrong) and everyone else's!
 
I like to see everyone's take. I'd have no problem seeing the TAS Ent scaled up to have that huge shuttlebay. How long would that make the whole ship--about JJ size?
 
I like to see everyone's take. I'd have no problem seeing the TAS Ent scaled up to have that huge shuttlebay. How long would that make the whole ship--about JJ size?
I assume you meant TOS Ent?

If I remember correctly (and it's been a while) then a 947' Enterprise could fit a 84' long flight deck behind the pylons, but the miniature set was scaled to be 120' long. That would put the Enterprise at 1,352' in length

However, the shuttle itself (while built at around 22', the same size as the scale shuttle in the miniature flight deck) is said by some to be a 2/3 representation of what a "real" shuttle would be if they'd had the budget. Add that to the equations and you get a 1,845' long vessel - still short of the massive JJ-prise which is touted to be 2,357') but rather too big for my tastes as well!

Or did you actually mean TAS and its whopper shuttle bay seen in Mudd's Passion? If that's the case then I have no figures, sorry!
 
According to Roddenberry's description, the TOS shuttledeck could hold a "fleet" of airliners.
 
That line is from one of the earliest drafts of the series bible (which also featured a 20 deck saucer that would routinely detach for planetary survey missions).
Bizarrely the line was never updated, even when the size of the ship was more concretely determined.
 
Ah, I just noticed that the OP hasn't been online since 2014. Apologies for resurrecting this thread. Had I noticed that previously, I wouldn't have done so.
 
Hello! I found out about this BBS just a few weeks ago.
(Hard to believe, I know.)
I have been a life long fan of STAR TREK. I grew up on TOS (I am 58 years old).
I worked in Engineering for 31 years full-time, and retired at the end of 2017.
During that time (for 20+ years) I was drawing, printing, and selling decals part-time. I build scale models; the decal business started from my desire to make my own markings for my models. People liked my work and wanted copies.
Five months after I retired I had a stroke.
I draw mostly for myself now, my own projects, interests, ideas, etc.
For the past few months I have been drawing my own interpretation of the deck plans for the U.S.S. ENTERPRISE. My starting point was the FJ plans. I am governed by 3 criteria:
1. The details of the ship's layout as relayed in THE MAKING OF STAR TREK.
2. What was see and hear on-screen in the original 79 episodes.
3. The details visible on the 11-foot studio model.
Happily, the conclusions I came to - with respect to the layout of key features in the ship - parallel many of the design ideas I am finding in this BBS.
I will post this same message in several threads, so as to initiate conversations and/or private messages.
I have posted a few images in Facebook. I will post here too, as soon as I familiarize myself with how this BBS works.
I am most interested in communicating with WARPED9, BLSSDWLF, and ROBERT COMSOL.

Thank you.


Jim Botaitis
 
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