Spoilers Vulcans, Romulans, and Disco S3 (Picard Spoilers)

[Lord Garth]

This is all speculation run wild. Once I started, I kept going and going with it.

The title of "Unification III" got me thinking. If the Vulcans and the Romulans reunified, there might be several Federation worlds that would be opposed to such a high profile member of the Federation (Vulcan) reuniting with the Romulans.

In PIC, we find out that 14 Federation member worlds were threatening to secede if the Federation provided aid to the Romulans after the Mars Attack by the Synths. They used the attack as an excuse to justify not to continue aid.

Vulcan and Romulans reunifying would be much more fundamental than simply giving aid to the Romulans. I think it might have split the Federation in half.

Once the Federation is split in half and members have seceded, it's not the taboo it used to be. So if the Pro-Romulan Federation and the Anti-Romulan Federation go to war with each other and you have worlds that have no interest in joining either side, they might secede from whichever Federation they were part of, while the two Federations go to war with each other and rip each other to shreds.

That's how I think the Federation falls apart.

The Pro-Romulan Federation might still think of itself as the Federation and upholding its ideals of unity by making peace with a former enemy (the Romulans) and could hold up the Vulcan Reunification with the Romulans as the ultimate example putting aside differences. Eventually they take on the name: the V'Draysh. It sounds like "Federation" but it's been Vulcanized/Romulanized.

Meanwhile, the Anti-Romulan Federation (which I'll just call the "New Federation" from here on out) sees the V'Draysh as having sold out to the Federation's oldest enemy. They see the V'Draysh as siding with people who were responsible for the attack on Mars. They see the V'Draysh as just a bigger version of the Romulan Free State who have betrayed not only the Federation but all of its allies.

So if the V'Draysh and the New Federation go to war, and the V'Draysh win, then the New Federation has fallen. So all you have left are the V'Draysh and the third party worlds who seceded when the original Federation split in half over Vulcan reunifying with the Romulans.

Maybe things go south between the V'Draysh and these independent former Federation worlds. Which could be why Alcor IV is at war with the V'Draysh.

And that's how I figure things got to where they are in The Future when Discovery arrives. All just speculation. It might be wrong. But it's always fun to guess.

 

[NCC-73515]

It would be a very cool concept, and fits the bits that we know so far.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

It could certainly be a reason that led to a breakup, if not the "last straw".

 

[Timo]

It comes a bit out of the left field in PIC that anybody in the UFP would actually care about the Romulans one way or another. They go for zany schemes of galactic domination, yes, but none of those ever work - so most probably they never become known to the voting public, either. Why would the 14 players want Romulus to die?

Are they just extreme Prime Directive / noninterference policy fanatics? The UFP by and large might need to show support for such sentiments. But they might also make an example of the mere 14 members who wish to carry a grudge, not only kicking them out but also bombing their capital planets for a good measure. See who wants to split after that! Lopsided civil wars never hurt anybody much, and we have little reason to think this 10% would have been particularly powerful. Except of course in the sense that they got what they wanted, but it pretty much sounds as if this was what the UFP in general wanted, too, and Picard was in a minority of one.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Lord Garth]

It comes a bit out of the left field in PIC that anybody in the UFP would actually care about the Romulans one way or another. They go for zany schemes of galactic domination, yes, but none of those ever work - so most probably they never become known to the voting public, either. Why would the 14 players want Romulus to die?

Are they just extreme Prime Directive / noninterference policy fanatics? The UFP by and large might need to show support for such sentiments. But they might also make an example of the mere 14 members who wish to carry a grudge, not only kicking them out but also bombing their capital planets for a good measure. See who wants to split after that! Lopsided civil wars never hurt anybody much, and we have little reason to think this 10% would have been particularly powerful. Except of course in the sense that they got what they wanted, but it pretty much sounds as if this was what the UFP in general wanted, too, and Picard was in a minority of one.

Timo Saloniemi

In 2385, 14 worlds threaten to secede. We have 800 years to work with. I'm imagining that by the time this happens, even more worlds would have an issue with the Romulans. I think the Romulan Free State is sticking around (in PIC's time) and becomes worse over time. While paradoxically, Spock's Underground Movement begins to take off. You have people in an ideological divide who keep moving further and further apart. There might be like 80 worlds that are against cooperating with the Romulans by the time all is said and done in this scenario.

I think by the time any of this happens, it would be long after Picard.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

A federation civil war would be a nice plot if the politics of different worlds is explored. One thing trek has not come even close to delving into enough is the non human aspects of the Fed. ENT tried a bit and DIS has done a good job of making crews less human but look at DS9 that was a human not federation v Dominion war

 

[F. King Daniel]

Maybe there's just one left of each like Bele and Lokai and they're going to become friends.