Spoilers Batwoman - Season 1

[Christopher]

I said this in another thread, and I'll repeat it here. While on the one hand I'm all for the producers etc. wanting to have due representation with the Kate Kane character, this is a dangerously slippery slope.

No, it's not, because the LGBTQ people are the ones trying to climb uphill. If they stop pushing upward, or if we stop trying to level the slope, they are the ones who will slip backward, NOT us overly privileged straight white men who've had the advantage in society for THOUSANDS OF YEARS and have got to shut the hell up about the "injustice" of having to compete fairly for once in a civilization.

 

[JD]

Aye. Doing one's own stunts can be commendable, but it can be risky as all hell. And stunt doubles to exist to mitigate this issue.

Assuming that's the only reason. (Maybe she questioned some of the scripts - there are several possibilities.)

People can like or dislike the show, but Ruby going through that sort of injury and surgery is considerable and hard. I hope she had a robust recovery, and I hope she's able to take on another role.

That was an old post, it turns out she's leaving because she wasn't happy with the long hours and being in Vancouver.

 

[Jayson1]

Seems like there was a issue of she didn't want to be there and they didn't want her to be there either because it was mutual separation. It's just a matter of time before we get the real truth instead of the press release talk. I also heard their was going to be a Superman crossover but I guess that is over unless they plan on using Superman to sort of build up the show and the new lead.

Jason

 

[DigificWriter]

Ruby was unhappy because she wasn't prepared to deal with the rigors of being a lead on a television series, and her unhappiness inevitably created a largely unhappy set in general.

This really isn't a big deal, nor should it be made out to be (or to be more than it was).

 

[Jayson1]

Well it is a big deal anytime your star leaves especially after the first season no matter the reasons. Might not kill the show because CW holds onto the Arrowverse like it's oxygen since they got nothing else going but this does have to look like a big hit on the brand. Especially when it's going to be soon competing with the MCU shows on Disney Plus and other comic shows elsewhere. Now they have no star and like all the shows no budget to compete with the better looking productions that will be out their.


Jason

 

[DigificWriter]

^ My point was that people don't need to read more into this than was actually there.

Yes, in an ideal world, Ruby wouldn't have been unprepared for the rigors of being a series lead and therefore wouldn't have created an unhappy set with her own unhappiness, which means she wouldn't have left, but beyond the initial shock of how unexpected this decision was (especially in modern television), it's not something that people should read much into beyond the fact that it happened and the series is now in a position that isn't ideal but that is what they're having to deal with.

 

[Jayson1]

Unless of course that is all press release talk. God knows the stories we will hear about behind the scenes stuff on "Discovery" someday. This is still a fresh enough story that I imagine more stuff is going to come out. Heck we might be hearing stories about this for years.

Jason

 

[DigificWriter]

The specifics we've learned about were anonymously sourced by multiple outlets, not revealed via official on-the-record "press release" comments, which, in my mind, means they're much more likely to represent the unvarnished truth of what happened.

 

[Samurai8472]

Unless of course that is all press release talk. God knows the stories we will hear about behind the scenes stuff on "Discovery" someday. This is still a fresh enough story that I imagine more stuff is going to come out. Heck we might be hearing stories about this for years.

Jason

I predict that like Christopher Eccleston leaving after his first season as The Doctor we won't get a clear answer as to why Ruby Rose left. There might be vague assumptions and some comments in a few years but it will be left unexplained

I also heard their was going to be a Superman crossover but I guess that is over unless they plan on using Superman to sort of build up the show and the new lead.

Jason

It was going to be a scaled back crossover and last two hours on a Sunday

https://tvline.com/2020/05/14/arrowverse-crossover-superman-batwoman-2021/

The upcoming crossover will also be smaller in scope than the recent “Crisis on Infinite Earths” five-show spectacle that aired this past season. “It will be a smaller event than usual,” Pedowitz shared. “We’re only planning a two-hour event. We’re talking about doing Superman [& Lois] and Batwoman together, with a lot of characters coming [in] from our other shows.” The crossover will likely air as a two-hour block on a Sunday, Pedowitz added.

 

[Marc]

I predict that like Christopher Eccleston leaving after his first season as The Doctor we won't get a clear answer as to why Ruby Rose left. There might be vague assumptions and some comments in a few years but it will be left unexplained



It was going to be a scaled back crossover and last two hours on a Sunday

https://tvline.com/2020/05/14/arrowverse-crossover-superman-batwoman-2021/

don't think Rose's departure relates to the next cross over being smaller - think logistics and and money is a big factor there.

 

[JD]

Seems like there was a issue of she didn't want to be there and they didn't want her to be there either because it was mutual separation. It's just a matter of time before we get the real truth instead of the press release talk. I also heard their was going to be a Superman crossover but I guess that is over unless they plan on using Superman to sort of build up the show and the new lead.

Jason

I don't really see how Rose leaving would have any impact on the crossover. The crossovers are about the shows and the characters, not the actors, so as long as both shows are up and running at the same time I don't see any reason why they wouldn't do it.

 

[Jayson1]

It's possible though they wanted the crossover because they wanted to see Rose interacting with Superman. Once you get in a new actor they might see it as a need to change the character down a different path to pit in with the actor. I suppose it depends if they are going to write the character the same or not. Even if it's technically the same person you know having a different actor will eventually change things because you don't know how she will work out. Also if they don't get a big star, which will be a big mistake if they don't, then it means they will need to add other gimmicks or things to improve ratings which they would have needed to do anyways with Rose. Expect to see a huge chunk of Batman's Rogue Gallery show up next year. The show might end up becoming like "Gotham" were the villains take over the show.

Jason

 

[Christopher]

don't think Rose's departure relates to the next cross over being smaller - think logistics and and money is a big factor there.

It is specifically a Batwoman/Superman crossover, after all. If the loss of Batwoman were a problem, they wouldn't focus the crossover on her at all. If anyone's unavailability is an issue, it's Melissa Benoist's pregnancy precluding the Batwoman/Supergirl crossover they were probably hoping for.

And the reason for the smaller crossover is probably just good storytelling sense -- in the wake of something as huge as Crisis, it'd be a bad idea to try to match it or top it too soon. It's the same reason Marvel isn't immediately jumping into another huge crossover event after Endgame.

 

[Awesome Possum]

They can just say she had plastic surgery for plot reasons. No need for space/time shenanigans.

 

[dahj]

No need for anything really.

A wink at the audience maybe and carry on.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

No need for anything really.

A wink at the audience maybe and carry on.

 

[Turtletrekker]

In Iron Man 2, when Don Cheadle first appeared as Rhodey replacing Terrence Howard, Rhodey quipped, "Look. It's me. I'm here. Deal with it." And when Tony tried to say something Rhodey cut him off with, "Drop it."

A nice wink to the audience like that would be more than enough for me.

 

[Christopher]

They can just say she had plastic surgery for plot reasons. No need for space/time shenanigans.

Plastic surgery to explain recastings is such a hackneyed soap-opera cliche that I'd rather they just ignored it.

I'd like to see them lampshade it. In the new Kate's first scene, have her arguing with Mary that Robin Curtis was a better Saavik than Kirstie Alley. Or that Dick Sargent was the better Darrin. And have that be the only acknowledgment.

 

[DigificWriter]

Which was an ad-lib that meant nothing and should have been excised.

 

[Ovation]

Which was an ad-lib that meant nothing and should have been excised.

No (to excising).