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Early TOS themes and subjects you miss...

TOS historic concept: Fleet Captain Garth may have orchestrated a space battle similar to the Battle of Midway where Starfleet learned of a large Klingon attack (with a side diversion) against a Federation planet or Earth Colony planet, then ambushed them using three starships destroying four enemy capital ships.

And losing one starship?

The only minor reservation I'd have with that is fleet captain seems a little low to be orchestrating things; with Midway you have Nimitz as 4-star CinCPac positioning the forces beforehand. But Garth in Fletcher's place, sure why not?
 
...and wish they'd used more in the prequels

1. "Why are we out here??" Seen in Naked Time and I think some in Corbomite Maneuver.

2. More of a sense of 1701 being a military ship.

3. Being on the frontier. Miners can buy planets, wash dishes by hand...

4. Things like start-up lists.

5. Finally....and man they should have hammered this in the first season of ENTERPRISE. Dead civilizations.

Imagine the following in ENT:

Archer: The Vulcans have been holding us back from day one...
Soval: And with good reason.
Archer: Such as?
Soval: You'll see.

And as ENT explores the surrounding stars and maps systems for colonization....they find dead civilization after dead civilization. Maybe Alpha Centauri has a population barely surviving and then we run into Prime Directive issues immediately. Bring in James Cromwell (with age makeup of course) as a proponent of saving the ACers and building a colony there. The theme of course being how lucky Earth was to get as far as they did and how they still arn't out of the woods.

Sorry...Im ranting.


All of this.

I really don't care about "Starfleet officers" taking each other's emotional temperatures in scene after scene.
 
It occurred to me that had Trek only lasted 15 or so episodes....they were SO GOOD and different, the show would still be famous in a "The Prisoner" sort of way.
 
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It occurred to me that had Trek only lasted 15 or so episodes....they were SO GOOD and different, the show would still be famous is a "The Prisoner" sort of way.

It would definitely still have gotten a DVD release. If the short-lived Man From Atlantis could get a DVD set, you know Star Trek would have.
 
What if the majority of the episodes had been wiped which is the case for a lot of TV shows from the sixties?
JB
 
What if Trek had been recorded onto videotape then and hadn't lasted a full season instead of the seventy nine episodes? :rolleyes:
JB
 
If so then we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

No maybe not but we might be chatting about the six or seven surviving episodes of a long forgotten TV show that had just been released on DVD on another forum! :hugegrin:
JB
 
What I find interesting, and I'm not sure I can articulate this well, is that a lot of the elements people are discussing here were present in the first two seasons of TNG.
One thing that stands out to me is that starting in TNG season 3, and throughout the rest of its run, Voyager and, to a lesser extent, DS9, the shows incorporated a certain juvenile high-school soap opera approach to characterization. Everyone pretty much knew everyone else's business, nothing was off-limits, there were no real mysteries and no interpersonal barriers. There was little complexity or depth. And almost nothing about human behavior that wasn't spelled out and dumbed down.
By contrast, the characters and cultures of the first two seasons of TNG were adults, fully formed, and not immediately open for understanding. Some examples:
Riker, given the power of the Q, is about to turn Data into a human. In later seasons, Data would have let it happen, remarked on what it was like, and ultimately rejected it. Instead, Data immediately told Riker where to stick it.
Similarly, in one very early episode, Picard is seen on the bridge worrying about Riker entering a simulation with Worf - suggesting there was a very real risk that Worf would kill Riker. The way it was played really created a Klingon mystique.
I've often said that TNG seasons 1 and 2 were the worst seasons of Star Trek -- and the last seasons of Star Trek.
 
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