HBO's "Westworld", starring Anthony Hopkins/produced by J.J. Abrams

[Mudd]

They killed people in the Raji who was just hunting robot tigers. Please.

Who killed them?

I guess slavers are more interested in the degree of their complicity than the slaves fighting for their right to live are, huh?

BTW, just for fun - if you're a machine designed by human beings to be repeatedly maimed and killed, why would you identify with the humans hunting and killing the tigers instead of the machine tiger?

 

[Mudd]

If there's a logical question I have about the whole business I suppose it's why Serac goes through the elaborate process of trying to "cure" outliers rather than kill them. And why not just destroy Solomon when its usefulness was done?

 

[DigificWriter]

They killed people in the Raji who was just hunting robot tigers. Please. And they repeatedly said that the guests wasn't only people interested in the Rape&Murder. We saw families too. And I sincerely doubt that every person of Delos was "guilty". Even the barman at the Mesa Hub?!?

The people killed in The Raj died as a result of Ford's Reverie programming waking the Hosts up/causing them to "glitch" en masse.

Dolores herself - and the Hosts she had following her in Season 2 - has only killed those humans she sees as a direct threat to her and/or her kind.

Bernard believes that her goal is to destroy all of humanity, but his perception is skewed because he isn't working with her and is therefore an unreliable narrator.

 

[Mudd]

So, what if the fifth pearl is inside a second copy of Hale?

Or rather, the first copy, the one created by Bernard?

I'm not sold on this - I'm not "sold" on any of the hypotheses I throw out regarding this series; the show's just too good at hiding its big reveals (often by getting everyone to ask the wrong questions going in - for example, "who's in all those pearls" and everyone guessing other hosts when Bernard appears to have been the only other person Dolores brought back).

According to some sites, there's a shot in a flashback of Dolores creating a Hale in the Host-manufacturing station at Arnold's house:



Now, I can't tell who that is. But suppose it's Hale (could be Dolores, couldn't it?) - well, Dolores already had a Hale body. She was in it.

And we have an unaccounted for "anomaly" - one in Berlin.

When Hale calls Musashi, she's shot in deep shadow to obscure details other than her face and hand - yet both look to be much improved since her conversion into Host Barbeque at the end of episode 6. And, of course, given access to the right equipment she can fix herself up real quick. So, maybe nothing.

She calls Musashi, warning him that the plan "is for all of us to die" and minutes later who shows up to kill him? Maeve and Clementine, Hosts who oppose Dolores.

 

[Forbin]

That "stick the sword in and walk around in a circle" move made me cringe.
Even burned to a crisp Tessa Thompson is cute as hell.
Solomon's voice was mixed too low with the background audio and score - I barely understood a word it said.
Thandie struck quite a dramatic pose as she stepped out of that drone! Great shot!

 

[Awesome Possum]

They killed people in the Raji who was just hunting robot tigers. Please. And they repeatedly said that the guests wasn't only people interested in the Rape&Murder. We saw families too. And I sincerely doubt that every person of Delos was "guilty". Even the barman at the Mesa Hub?!?

They were hunting machines, one made just like the hosts and just as trapped as they are. Since it's based on British controlled India, I doubt the hosts are treated as equals by the guests either. There's likely a lot of rape and abuse there too. And Delos is a company built on a rape/murder theme park that is secretly copying the minds of every single guest in order to make it so the rich can live forever as robots. They aren't the Disney company, which is also likely up to a lot of nefarious stuff too but we haven't seen it yet.

 

[1987SpaceGuy]

Glad we now know why/how Caleb's backstory was fake. He's out for vengeance against the AI machines, but not the hosts.

MIB/MIW was just used to locate the desert reprogramming site I think. Wonder if he has any future purpse. Still wondering about Bernard's story purpose.

As a previous poster mentioned I too believe now Serac isn't a human anymore but a hologram from Rehobam.
No need for oversight, if you appear to be the oversight to everybody else.

Just Speculation: Maeve will switch sides, Halores will off Dolores prime. Caleb will take down Rehobam.

 

[Mudd]

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Well. Now Westworld is over for the year, Better Call Saul is over for the year, Fargo is delayed. All there is left to look forward to now is Killing Eve until several months after quarantine is relaxed.

The people killed in The Raj died as a result of Ford's Reverie programming waking the Hosts up/causing them to "glitch" en masse.

Dolores herself - and the Hosts she had following her in Season 2 - has only killed those humans she sees as a direct threat to her and/or her kind.

Bernard believes that her goal is to destroy all of humanity, but his perception is skewed because he isn't working with her and is therefore an unreliable narrator.

Dolores executed several guests who were just trying to run away from her. As they were begging for their lives she ironically said "It doesn't look like anything to me". Toward the end of season 2 she said explicitly "I'm going to take their world away from them". Now, in season 3, her goal is to liberate both humanity and her kind. In season 2 she definitely wanted to kill all humans.

If there's a logical question I have about the whole business I suppose it's why Serac goes through the elaborate process of trying to "cure" outliers rather than kill them. And why not just destroy Solomon when its usefulness was done?

Serac sees himself as a white knight, or a father who knows best. He tries to rehabilitate rather than kill when possible because he sees it as the noble solution. A lot of people have made Mass Effect comparisons, with those comparisons it's the 'Control' ending.

 

[Forbin]

Well. Now Westworld is over for the year...

Aren't you going to watch next week's episode, the actual season finale?

 

[Mudd]

Toward the end of season 2 she said explicitly "I'm going to take their world away from them".

And that's what she is doing.

I've been with her ever since the pilot. She's pretty consistent.

I've even been wondering when we'd get back to "Did you ever see such splendor..." which she kind of did, this week.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Aren't you going to watch next week's episode, the actual season finale?

Oh, I thought that was the finale. So one more week then.

And that's what she is doing.

I've been with her ever since the pilot. She's pretty consistent.

I've even been wondering when we'd get back to "Did you ever see such splendor..." which she kind of did, this week.

She had a major change of heart after Ted shot himself. That's why she was originally going to erase the valley beyond and instead saved it. And I think she's started to see humans as just as enslaved and programmed as her kind is. Why she's showing everybody their narrative.

 

[Snaploud]

Caleb showed a remarkable lack of curiosity. He didn't bother to even ask about the purpose or end result of successfully fulfilling Jean Mi's last plan. Also, I'm unclear if Caleb's last command completely overrode Jean Mi's plan in place of "how do I destroy Rehoboam/end all this" (and he should really be more clear when asking for strategies from a schizophrenic AI).

 

[DigificWriter]

Dolores had a change of heart after Bernard took her Pearl and stuck it in a Host copy body of Charlotte Hale, so the path she is on now is one he put her on even though he doesn't fully understand her end goals.

 

[Mudd]

She had a major change of heart after Ted shot himself. That's why she was originally going to erase the valley beyond and instead saved it. And I think she's started to see humans as just as enslaved and programmed as her kind is. Why she's showing everybody their narrative.

Oh, wait - I thought she just suddenly stopped being a heartless killing machine right in the middle of the episode the other night when the show "arrived somewhere" and she transformed into a "liberator."

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Oh, wait - I thought she just suddenly stopped being a heartless killing machine right in the middle of the episode the other night when the show "arrived somewhere" and she transformed into a "liberator."

In her first appearance in season 3 she made a comment that she'd changed her thinking and now will only kill when necessary. I believe she also spared the girlfriend.

This episode is just the first time we saw any sign she really has started earnestly empathizing with humans and it's not lip service.

 

[Mudd]

Now, I'm sure <ahem> that this has nothing to do with the use of the name on Westworld, but there's something pretty familiar about a guy named "Caleb" who "chooses" the side of a female android...

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...and I'm sure that there's no possibility of things ending up similarly for Dolores's Caleb.

I don't think all that much of the narrator's analysis in this video, but it runs down the characters and story points pretty adroitly.

 

[Mudd]

Last meaningless speculation before the season finale:

Stubbs is minding Bernard for Dolores. He may not even be Stubbs. Connell was expecting Bernard and Stubbs at the auction, and they conveniently hustled Liam out of the auction to a place where he could be kidnapped by Team Dolores. Someone told Bernard and Stubbs where William was being held.

DId anything about Stubbs's story back there on Westworld - you know, with the "no purpose/shot myself and missed" shit - sound plausible?

Remember who recognized Hale as Dolores and let her leave the island in the season two finale.

 

[theenglish]

I have enjoyed this season quite a bit. I was relieved to see Dolores actually has much more noble intentions than we have seen--the relationship with how humans of a certain class are treated no better than the hosts and the idea that Dolores motives actually seem to be to liberate all those enslaved is intriguing and makes me wonder if Maeve is actually on the wrong side of this rebellion.

 

[Mudd]

Considering who she's working for Maeve could hardly be on the right side.