But enough about TMP....
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Should I Give It A Punt?
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I dunno. I think it's a dangerous assumption to presume that it's all the exact same people who hated ENT, hated the Kelvinverse, and hate Discovery/Picard. Undoubtedly there are some, but they might have all just been polarizing and alienated different groups of people.
To the extent these people "exist" - some of them may genuinely just be trolls. I seriously wonder with some of the 'tubers how many are overstating their dislike of the newer Treks for clicks.
Even if it isn't the same people it often is the same rhetoric, which is just as annoying.
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Maybe those people just recognize substandard writing when they see it?
My thinking in regards to them:
"I don't like it because of poor writing." = Okay, I don't agree but I understand. As I've said before, I had similar feelings about VOY and ENT.
"I don't like it because that model looks out of place in 2257, that should be 2294! And what they're doing contradicts my interpretation of this line from that other series here!" = Give me a fucking break. This is ridiculous. Use your imagination to explain it away.
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ENT: I was just unreasonable at the time. All the suit meddling put me off. And they repeated everything i didn't like about every post TOS show and threw in Archer getting beat up all the time. Looking back, there are a lot of things I like and if they made a fifth season Id watch for sure.
DISC: Hate it hate it hate it.
KELVIN: I found the first two movies very enjoyable. But felt they stripped the franchise for parts and lost interest.
PIC: Loved it except for the last episode.
Well i would if they gave me something to latch onto. * As it was they just gave me a bunch of ships that didn't seem to have any rhyme or reason, from a distance with no narrative cohesion going 'blipblip blipblip" Thats my DISC complaint.
Compare with PIC when they had small scale battles and it was a complete 180. Good sound, good tactics, narrative cohesion.
The final ep was an utter failure though. Not just because of copy and paste but also absolutely piss poor direction.
It’s not 80’s - 00’s Trek. And like DSC, PIC is a more modern TV drama. I think that’s all you need to know.I'm wondering what the general feel is for Picard?
After being so utterly horrified by Discovery I've not even bothered with Picard as yet, though from screen shots I've seen the aesthetics aren't immediately off putting and I've read snippets of episodes and reviews leave me with mixed feelings. Whilst it is Sir Patrick and they do seem to be doing some interesting things with Seven, as well as some more development of the Romulans (about time), it could mean having to fork out for Amazon Prime (on top of Netflix and Disney+)--admittedly, I could go for a 30 day free trial and try the first episode, see what kind of taste it leaves in my mouth, then could binge from there or forget about it and get caught up with The Expanse.
Rambling, I know, but solo lockdown is slowly rotting my brain
Before I make the main point of this comment, I like Disco. It's not perfect, but I like Tilly (sorry), Saru, Stamets and Culber. Burnham sometimes is a tough pill for me, but I don't dislike her. I think the SMG is great with what she had been given. In short, I don't mean to crap on the show.
All that having been said, I rewatched Such Sweet Sorrows part 1 last night and I found myself really having a hard time with everything. The dialog, Burnham speechifying, the leaps (let's take Disco to the future as opposed to jumping to a different Galaxy), the save everything living thing - basically all the stuff fans have been complaining about. I couldn't bring myself to watch part 2.
Picard was not perfect, but I think I enjoyed the writing more. I am worried I am going to have a hard time watching the third season if they don't up their game in the writing department.
All that having been said, I rewatched Such Sweet Sorrows part 1 last night and I found myself really having a hard time with everything. The dialog, Burnham speechifying, the leaps (let's take Disco to the future as opposed to jumping to a different Galaxy), the save everything living thing - basically all the stuff fans have been complaining about. I couldn't bring myself to watch part 2.
Picard was not perfect, but I think I enjoyed the writing more. I am worried I am going to have a hard time watching the third season if they don't up their game in the writing department.
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I'm wondering what the general feel is for Picard?
After being so utterly horrified by Discovery I've not even bothered with Picard as yet, though from screen shots I've seen the aesthetics aren't immediately off putting and I've read snippets of episodes and reviews leave me with mixed feelings. Whilst it is Sir Patrick and they do seem to be doing some interesting things with Seven, as well as some more development of the Romulans (about time), it could mean having to fork out for Amazon Prime (on top of Netflix and Disney+)--admittedly, I could go for a 30 day free trial and try the first episode, see what kind of taste it leaves in my mouth, then could binge from there or forget about it and get caught up with The Expanse.
Rambling, I know, but solo lockdown is slowly rotting my brain
What horrifies you about Discovery?
I'm with those who felt that Picard was a mixed bag. It was great seeing Patrick Stewart
and some other Trek vets again
The main story line was slight and been-there/done-that. Because they only had 10 episodes it didn't leave it open to dedicate an episode to each character to establish them. It perhaps could've been done with the limited number of episodes, but as I said above I don't think a good enough job was done parceling out character development and the truncated time they had left some important parts of the story to just be dumped in exposition or glossed over. I think some of the more interesting aspects of the Picard universe (
the state of the Romulans/Romulan Empire, the Borg xBs, and the rest of galactic politics)
I didn't care for the 2390 Trek uniforms (though I did like the 2380 ones, just that they weren't tailored well for Picard and Raffi; the 2390 uniforms looked ill-fitting at times as well). Also wasn't a big fan of the Picard: Season 1 starship design, and the civilian clothing looked too much like garments we wear today, and I say that while still not being a fan of the often garish civilian garb that was on TNG, DS9, and VOY. And while I thought a lot of that fashion was hideous it made it feel like it was a different time period.
Compared to Discovery, I think DISCO had a stronger first season from a storytelling and production value standpoint than Picard. The two mini-arcs in Discovery Season 1 were stronger. I also feel that Picard tread some of the same water that Discovery did in both its seasons so far
(For Seasons 1, both Burnham and Picard are seeking redemption and they both using 'rousing' speeches or exhortations at the end to shift the Federation back to its idealism. Season 2 of Discovery and the first season of Picard also grapple with fear of technology, I'll leave it at that).
What Picard has over Discovery, for me, is well, Picard himself, who is still my favorite Trek captain. It was also good to see
Riker, Troi, Data, Seven, and Hugh again. Or to get another look at the Enterprise-D,
but turned out not to be the real focus.
I liked what Trek Lit. has done with Romulan culture more than Picard did, however I have to give them some credit for making the effort to take the Romulans out of stock villain category and adding the most to their culture since TOS.
I also was not a fan of the foul language on either series, however I was more okay with it on Discovery,
same with the violence and gore
I didn't have that issue with Discovery because it was mostly new characters. That being said, I never warmed to James Frain's Sarek. Ethan Peck's Spock I'm iffy on, but no problem with Amanda and I liked Pike and Number One (though I think the Short Trek focused on her was a bit too much, but good actress choice). Overall Discovery has had the benefit of mostly new characters, and I was glad they started exploring more of the ensemble cast in Discovery: Season 2.
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I never felt the need to re-watch Discovery. That's the only Trek series I feel that way about. I haven't even finished Picard yet but I spoiled myself on all the details. That's something I've never done with any series before. I don't know what's happened but I don't feel the need to finish it right now. And I grew up with TNG so this makes me extra sad to say.
It's not TNG so it's not a betrayal to not watch it.
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