Unpopular Trek opinions game

[FederationHistorian]

One of the reasons I hated Into Darkness so much was because of how many moments & plotlines it lazily repeated from the first movie and the ST franchise in general. Kirk's ego gets him into trouble... again! Kirk is demoted and has to prove himself worthy of the Captaincy and Pike's respect... again! Kirk free falls towards a small target from outer space... again! It's an insane Starfleet Admiral going rogue... again! Exactly 72 of Khan's followers from the 20th Century survived... again! Khan comes back and kills off an Enterprise crew member... again! It's Kirk & Spock separated by glass with one of them dying... again! Someone yells, "KHAAAANNNN!!!"... again! Spock loses his temper and beats someone up... again! Kirk listens to the Beastie Boys... again!

For God's sake, we've seen all of this stuff before, and done better. Do something else.

And Khan’s magic blood, completely neglecting how the properties it had could have resurrected so many in either universe. Tasha Yar. Jadzia Dax. Trip Tucker for time travelers from the 29th-31st century. Countless red shirts. Technically, no one should ever die again in Star Trek because of Khan's blood. And if it was known it had the properties it had in the prime universe (presuming Dr. McCoy took a blood test of Khan in the prime universe, although we never actually see it) it would mean its locked away in a Section 31 vault somewhere. If not outright destroyed. It’s a terrible plot device that messes everything up worse than the TCW arc in ENT.

Upon discovering the Countdown to Darkness comic, I think this story would have made a far more interesting Kelvinverse movie than Into Darkness.

 

[fireproof78]

So, its like almost all magical tech in Star Trek? Except, its less magical since blood based therapies are actually used in contemporary science.

Also, we don't know the limits of Khan's blood, since, as McCoy, notes, Kirk was barely dead. McCoy put him in stasis almost immediately, minimizing the decay. So, the actual application is unknown. The transporter seems more viable given that it could restore Pulaski back to her health after being being exposed to an aging inducing symptom in "Unnatural Selection" (I think).

 

[Qonundrum]

I can't believe I didn't mention this before! I like "The Omega Glory" (TOS).

If how much I like Discovery wasn't enough to do me in, I'm sure this will.

Piffle! "The Omega Glory"'s sci-fi subplot is actually extremely good; one of Trek's most imaginative, frightening, forms of horrific death.

It's just the 8,675,309th use of parallel Earth syndrome that does the episode in.

 

[Qonundrum]

So, its like almost all magical tech in Star Trek? Except, its less magical since blood based therapies are actually used in contemporary science.

Also, we don't know the limits of Khan's blood, since, as McCoy, notes, Kirk was barely dead. McCoy put him in stasis almost immediately, minimizing the decay. So, the actual application is unknown. The transporter seems more viable given that it could restore Pulaski back to her health after being being exposed to an aging inducing symptom in "Unnatural Selection" (I think).

Fair and good point. Ideally the movie would have been a bit more nuanced, but we are dealing with general audiences and not nerds (or writers who were just putting out anything and hoping it would stick).

TNG and the magic wands in sickbay were irritating, but they weren't always "one device fits all situations". Indeed, "Contagion" has Dr Pulaski bringing up splints when the doctor guy asks about "the knitter"* not working.

* aka magic wand limited to just bone fractures. But this was before season 3 when the sickbay magic wands became over the top. Even then, the more they do it invites more ridicule. I don't know of too many people giving every last magic wand in TNG a free pardon; but TNG was definitely more rounded as far as scripting goes. (Some of PIC's ideas are actually quite good. Some don't even need Trek trademarks taped to them to hold their own, but the series is

Spoiler

clearly centered more around Soji and Sutra (first name, "Kama" ?!) than Picard himself ever will be.

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Edit: spelling, minor clarification

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Also, we don't know the limits of Khan's blood, since, as McCoy, notes, Kirk was barely dead.

It would've been more believable if McCoy had taken Kirk to Miracle Max from The Princess Bride. "He's only mostly dead!"

 

[fireproof78]

It would've been more believable if McCoy had taken Kirk to Miracle Max from The Princess Bride. "He's only mostly dead!"

Right...

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Right...

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[fireproof78]

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/05c72396-d196-4248-80f2-fd6e5cd504ab

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

When I need Trek to just play in the background, very few episodes do the trick like TNG "night Terrors" or "Silence has Lease".. like Plinkett said, I like my sci fi slow and boring

 

[remember...]

I like uhura scotty romance in5.

 

[Ocanain]

My unpopular opinion is that the Star Trek universe represents an anti-human sentiment wherein every alien race is a criticism of an element of the human condition.

 

[Vger23]

I can't believe I didn't mention this before! I like "The Omega Glory" (TOS).

If how much I like Discovery wasn't enough to do me in, I'm sure this will.

Totally agree. I love "The Omega Glory." The tone, the villain, the action and intensity....all of it's pretty awesome, despite the somewhat silly ending (which is still awesome due to Shatner's devouring of the scenery).

 

[Vger23]

My unpopular opinion is that the Star Trek universe represents an anti-human sentiment wherein every alien race is a criticism of an element of the human condition.

The writers are obviously pushing a subversive, anti-human agenda.

THOSE GOTDAM RABID ANTI-HUMAN BASTIDS!!!!

 

[Vger23]

Piffle! "The Omega Glory"'s sci-fi subplot is actually extremely good; one of Trek's most imaginative, frightening, forms of horrific death.

It's just the 8,675,309th use of parallel Earth syndrome that does the episode in.

The unfortunate thing is that the episode was actually written well in advance of its premier, due to the fact that it was penned as a possible pilot episode after the studio requested the infamous re-do.

 

[fireproof78]

My unpopular opinion is that the Star Trek universe represents an anti-human sentiment wherein every alien race is a criticism of an element of the human condition.

Criticism=anti-human?

I knew that there was a reason why I didn't like to be criticized!

 

[Vger23]

My unpopular opinion is that the Star Trek universe represents an anti-human sentiment wherein every alien race is a criticism of an element of the human condition.

Criticism=anti-human?

I knew that there was a reason why I didn't like to be criticized!

In all seriousness, I get the point @Ocanain is trying to make. Trek at times definitely shines a light on the less-tidy aspects of humanity, but it also has an unwavering theme and core belief that humanity can and will do better.

 

[fireproof78]

In all seriousness, I get the point @Ocanain is trying to make. Trek at times definitely shines a light on the less-tidy aspects of humanity, but it also has an unwavering theme and core belief that humanity can and will do better.

I to see the point they are trying to make. It was just an odd conclusion when, as you note, the attitude is that humanity can become better.

 

[Ocanain]

The writers are obviously pushing a subversive, anti-human agenda.

THOSE GOTDAM RABID ANTI-HUMAN BASTIDS!!!!

Well that’s very melodramatic. To my perspective it’s just fiction conveying it’s distaste for aspects of the human condition they dislike but the interpretation is yours of course.

 

[Ocanain]

I to see the point they are trying to make. It was just an odd conclusion when, as you note, the attitude is that humanity can become better.

Humanity becoming better is not much of an unpopular opinion.

 

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Star trek three
Enterprise did not have to blow up.
Star trek generations
Enterprises D did not have to blow up.
voyager
Kes could of stayed who knows how it would of benefited the mental health of the actress playing her if she did.
Savick
Robin curtis was a good fit for savick.