News Brent Spiner Returned for "Picard" (and you could do the CGI better in 15 minutes, we get it)
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Data definitely looked odd in the finale, but given that the entire Starfleet was represented with one ship model (with 2 slight nacelle variants), and the Admonition was made up of Shutterstock footage of random androids and clips of explosions from Discovery, I suspect they were worked to the bone and in something of a rush.
Loved his last scene through so much I forgive everything.
Loved his last scene through so much I forgive everything.
Imagine how long 20 years in that sim must have felt like then!
They did that in all of his scenes (even in episode 10). That's why is hairline never looked consistent. I have to say that the hairline of his wig looks completely fine. It's just too round in shape.Pulling down his hairline digitally, was overdone the untouched hairpiece looked less distracting
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Okay, I tried to improve Data's look in episode 1.
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He doesn't need improvement. Let him be him
Spiner wanted to be de-aged. I just went a step further than CBS. ;-)
(Although I have to say that they went a little bit too far in some scenes from Episode 10)
But not when he's dead. That's why they chose to make him look like in Nemesis (it just didn't work so well).
Even Brent thinks Data should not age. it was established in an Episode that it was possible, but it was never further cemented or followed up on, in All Good Things he hadn't Aged in the future, his patch of gray hair was essentially a punchline because he couldn't naturally age, so deliberately colored his hair. the concept of Data aging is not something that actually stuck. Bottom line, Brent says they had convinced him that they could de-age him! so he said yes, then during filming they tell him they can't afford to. cruddy business, and seriously disrespectful thing to do. If Brent Spiner feels that Data needed to be de-aged, I dare not try to argue against it, and in regard to recreating his look from Nemesis, it's an inconsistent and sloppy job, it's a dodgy VFX job, and in that regard, it does need improvement, It doesn't take a genius to pay attention to what Data's hairline is supposed to look like, it's hard not to interpret it as a lazy or careless attempt. I thought the above Improved version is considerably better, and ironically it's subtle, that's whats so frustrating, is that the it really only required someone to care about making him look correct.
It absolutely was not too much to ask for them to get his hair right, or to decrease the protrusion of Brent's Jaw on the left side of his face which has become more prominent with age. it's just digital touchups, it does not require a 200 Million Dollar budget to fix that stuff. unfortunately it's obvious corners were being cut on a ridiculous level, and dare I say embarrassing level.
It absolutely was not too much to ask for them to get his hair right, or to decrease the protrusion of Brent's Jaw on the left side of his face which has become more prominent with age. it's just digital touchups, it does not require a 200 Million Dollar budget to fix that stuff. unfortunately it's obvious corners were being cut on a ridiculous level, and dare I say embarrassing level.
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I completely agree.
I can only image that they didn't have enough time to do a better job. I have a photoshop background so I know a little bit about de-aging people. But it is much harder in After Effects and takes a lot of time.
And part of the problem are the hair/make-up people. With a better wig and contact lenses the vfx team would have had an easier job.
Or they could’ve simply omitted Data from the show, what with him being dead and all.
He aged quite a lot while he died, though XD
Better, but Data still looks a little derpy though.
Same here. It served its purpose within the story.
Honestly, the need to go back and fix is what gave us Remastered editions or the SW Special Editions. How much do we "fix?"