Worf and Deanna almost got together, but..
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TNG established Worf's anatomy having dual vital organs like heart, liver etc... In Ethics
Apparently, Discovery played off the concept by showing a Klingon publicly peeing on a building wall, with 2 streams
I always thought duplicates of every organ was dumb. He ain't got 2 brains. 2 stomachs & colons, ergo poopers too? Dumb
1977: The TV show Soap becomes the first sitcom to feature an openly gay character, Jodie Dallas played by Billy Crystal.
I'm of the belief that Australian soap opera Number 96 was first show on TV anywhere to feature an openly gay character in its cast, in 1972.
They did share a hot tub once, but Alexander was there, too.
From what I've heard Sirtis say, Dorn loved this idea but she apparently hated it and with good reason if you think about it. Troi's riker's girl not Worf's girl.
Having just seen "Ethics", this is where the Troi/Worf (Wroi? Trorf?) 'shipping had its embryonic state - and dare I say it, there was some authenticity due to an emotional depth to actually buy into.
I don't recall much from DS9 except he left her like a hot potato as a result, and there was no Klingon custom to explain it all away. Just that he gets it on with Dax because the symbiont was inside a Klingon body a zillion years ago. That I remember right now anyway.
Her and Riker getting busy in the bathtub in INS also felt forced.
I don't recall much from DS9 except he left her like a hot potato as a result, and there was no Klingon custom to explain it all away. Just that he gets it on with Dax because the symbiont was inside a Klingon body a zillion years ago. That I remember right now anyway.
Her and Riker getting busy in the bathtub in INS also felt forced.
Nah, Curzon Dax was a Trill, he was just one of those people in the Federation who have this inexplicable fascination with Klingons and Klingon culture. Honestly I never bought the Worf/Dax relationship, mostly because Jadzia wasn't a very interesting character (imho) and had little to offer. But yeah their relationship was pretty much built on Jadzia liking Klingon culture because her last host was friends with Klingons.
I've never been a fan of the Deanna/Will pairing either, since it felt more like a part of their backstory than anything that was really happening, and they refused to do anything with it until the 11th hour anyway, when it was pointless for the series.
I thought Deanna/Worf worked on screen, with their characters and everything.
Exactly. Were they even ever dating during TNG? I could buy that they were once lovers and that that spark was still there between them, but I don't feel it was all that entertaining of a relationship. Riker, when not arguing with Jellico or getting upset with Ro, is a pretty chill guy, and has a calming way about him. Troi is very patient and somewhat soft spoken or delicate in the way she speaks. Together, although they're nice, they lack an on-screen romance.
I totally get the criticisms of them together. Empathetic, sensual, and delicate Troi, dating stiff, stoic, emotionally repressive, simplistic warrior Worf? What's there in common.
However, I can see them developing a closeness due to Alexander. That right there makes them closer in some ways, in that they're helping to raise a child, whereas there's nothing like that with Riker and her.
Had they been able to develop Worf further, in a particular way, I think it would not only be very convincing, but a good storyline.
I've already said that there's no way Troi would put up with Worf ditching his duty to exact revenge, or getting so caught up in the homeworld's honor-politics. But had they gradually shown Worf changing as a result of both his human upbringing, and his time on the Enterprise, I could see it. Worf's whole outlook is based around his idealized interpretation of Klingon warrior culture. It's who he is. In the first season he actually contemplates helping those two rogue Klingons. A few years later though, he does a very un-Klingon thing as spares Duras's heir. And even later, when he's asked what would happen if he saw that his father was captured alive and living as a pet-citizen of the Romulans, instead of being ashamed, he said he would be happy to at least see his father once more. Season 1 Worf would have never said that. So he definitely displayed an evolution in his thinking and beliefs. And I think that's what would have made Worf more appealing in Troi's eyes. He's more "alpha" than Riker, more of a challenge as far as his personality goes, and yet, his growth would probably make him seem much more mature to Troi. And I could envision a storyline where Worf is once again caught up in Klingon dirty politics, but he has to make a choice for not only Troi, but more importantly for himself, as to whether he'll continue to let the Kronos society dictate who he is as a person. He could even face prejudice from his Klingon peers for choosing to be with a Betazoid instead of a proper Klingon woman, and that he was losing his Klingon identity. Alexander was already corrupted by his mother's half-human influence, and now, due to Troi's influence, and Worf's softening nature, Alexander is a lost cause as far as going down the "warrior's path." Maybe even Kurn would chastise Worf for all of this. The House of Mogh has come back from the brink, is finally establishing itself as the noble house it once was, and Worf is squandering this legacy, with his choice of mate, his allegiance to Starfleet, and the way he's raising Alexander.
What could have been...
I think it could have worked if the writers would have committed to the relationship, had them back to dating by Season 2/3 and married by Season 4/5. But the way they handled it was a cop-out and, imho, harmed the credibility of the relationship. I find it difficult to believe that a relationship that was lukewarm for so many years, where they acted as platonic friends could suddenly ignite again enough to lead to a marriage.
I wonder why the writers never committed to the relationship when there was still a point to it, was it because they wanted Will and Deanna open to date guest stars or did they think it would have looked awkward if Picard sat between a married couple on the bridge?
I always thought that in TNG Worf did have his own kind of emotional warmth and sensitivity. He could be very empathic towards others (like the little boy in "the Bonding") and as you say over the seasons he learned to let go of pretending to be a perfect Klingon (which was always a bit strange anyway, since Worf's character is not very Klingon to begin with and to me he sometimes seems more Vulcan than Klingon).
So in light of that the relationship made sense to me. And yeah I agree that there would have been a good storyline in there.
Interestingly enough once Worf moved to DS9 that part of his character is gone and imho he's a lot less complex and likeable in that series, being a closed-off, growly Klingon who does Klingon stuff in most of his appearances (which is weird considering DS9 had a lot of complex characters. I guess they had to simplify his character to fit with Jadzia)
Somehow seeing Worf and Deanna together, for example, in the beginning of 'All Good Things...' made sense.
Tough honorable warrior and a mindreading soft negotiator. Doesn't feel like a perfect match and that makes it better.
About Riker and Troi, well they were in love once, but that's it, the relationship ended. It's not necessary to fall in love again and continue the relationship. People on this forum have been in relationships but perhaps not anymore? Former couples could be in the same work enviroment and not get into a relationship again. It's not soap opera. Riker and Troi not getting together during the series is normal, perhaps they didn't want to. Or maybe Will wanted but Troi was too pissed off since he left her for his career. And Troi got those awesome foot rubs from Devinoni Ral.
One another thing that rubs me the wrong way about Worf going to DS9 was that it meant the end for him and Deanna being together. Somehow that relationship made sense.
Or I love TNG too much? Is there some amount when it is too much when loving TNG?
Or I love TNG too much? Is there some amount when it is too much when loving TNG?
The only way that the Riker/Troi wedding in Nemesis makes any sense to me is if they had one of those pacts where two friends/former lovers agree to get married if they're still single in their 40s.
It makes sense to me that they didn't rush getting back into a relationship early on, I think from the beginning it's easy to interpret that, like their predecessors Decker and Ilia they broke up on bad terms. And/or just that in seasons 1-3 Riker was still more focused on career advancement than a deep relationship. After season 3, "The Best of Both Worlds", though, with Riker realizing that he preferred to stay on the ship there should have been more interest in and development of the relationship.
I think that, as was also the case with Picard/Crusher, a lot of aversion to cutting off that possibility.
Riker and Troi....
Picard and Crusher....
etc.
Star Trek doesn't need relationship problems, there's so much more potential.
There are series that focus on relationships and all that (boring?) stuff, Treks are scifi series.
No relationship problems needed here. Maybe few but enough is enough.
Picard and Crusher....
etc.
Star Trek doesn't need relationship problems, there's so much more potential.
There are series that focus on relationships and all that (boring?) stuff, Treks are scifi series.
No relationship problems needed here.
Maybe few but enough is enough.
There are series that focus on relationships and all that (boring?) stuff, Treks are scifi series.
No relationship problems needed here.
Yes it's a SciFi series, but it's starring people and people have relationships.
Nobody's asking for TNG to morph into a romantic drama series, but imho, it would have been a good and realistic movie to make either Deanna/Riker or Picard/Beverley happen during the series. And only because two characters are in a relationship doesn't mean that the series has to focus on it or involve a lot of relationship drama.
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