What Happened to Picard

[Kelso]

Jean-Luc Picard died. There was a body and everything.

I'm perfectly willing to accept his synth duplicate as the real deal, but will the wider galaxy accept it as readily? And what would the people who knew him make of it? La Sirena's crew know what's up. Guinan probably wouldn't bat an eye. I wonder if Admiral Clancy would still take his calls. Hell, I could see someone like Worf having a difficult time accepting him as the real Picard.

My hope is that Picard will now have to face the questions that Dahj and Soji grappled with in season one. Is he real? Is he still himself? Does he want to be?

There is also an opportunity to explore themes of legacy from the perspective of a man who could conceivably witness his own funeral and watch the galaxy judge him posthumously.

There is definite story potential. I hope they make use of it.

 

[Aragorn]

My take's always been dead is dead. Even when I was watching the Schwarzenegger flick The Sixth Day as a kid, I knew the bad guys were idiots thinking that it was okay if they were killed off because they have clones, but you specifically are still going to die. You're not the clone!

I feel that way about Altered Carbon too, especially when you can save your memory days, weeks, months or years before you die and you can be brought back from those points. Also, because there can be more than one of you.

But according to the Picard showrunners, it was a full consciousness transfer, not just memory copying.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I was wrong, they just revealed the Season 2 logo:

 

[MrPointy]

It's pretty simple. Picard (golem) is Picard. If it's a 1:1 transfer of Picard's consciousness, is Picard.

That doesn't mean Picard's Brain can't be powering the computer on Sigma Draconis VI.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I wish they gave him "Some Powers".

Super Durability, Regeneration, Longer Life, ability to process time faster like a built in High Speed Camera =D, InfraRed Vision, Telescopic Sight, Microscopic Sight, etc.

You probably don't want him to have "Super Strength" (can't risk Patrick Stewart injuring himself on set of course!), "Super Speed", "Super Jumping".

Leave all the actiony bits to Isa Briones =D

 

[Gonzo]

I wish they gave him "Some Powers".

Super Durability, Regeneration, Longer Life, ability to process time faster like a built in High Speed Camera =D, InfraRed Vision, Telescopic Sight, Microscopic Sight, etc.

You probably don't want him to have "Super Strength" (can't risk Patrick Stewart injuring himself on set of course!), "Super Speed", "Super Jumping".

Leave all the actiony bits to Isa Briones =D

I doubt Patrick Stewart would be interested in all the stunt work involved.

We could however see little hints her or there that he isn't as standard as they stated he was.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I doubt Patrick Stewart would be interested in all the stunt work involved.

We could however see little hints her or there that he isn't as standard as they stated he was.

That and I don't want to risk injuring Patrick Stewart by doing any form of physical stunts AT ALL. He's a International treasure IMO.

But other powers can be given that doesn't require any physicality, just acting =D.

 

[Kirk Prime]

I wrote this in another thread, but I think we should consider the intent of the writers at face value. This is actually Picard, in another body. We have seen that before. Kirk and Janice Lester switched bodies.

I think there have been other examples. Didn't the minds of Sisko and a few others once get downloaded into the DS9 computers for a bit?

And for a short time, Data's body was possessed by someone too.

I think the best way to confirm it is to have some Vulcan do a mind meld and confirm that yes, this is Picard.

What this does do is open a can of worms, since apparently, they just invented immortality. Why would anyone want to be in a flesh body that decays and dies when they could be in a human one?

Another question also becomes is how does this work? Was Picard's mind copied and put into the new body, or was the actual brain pattern put in there? What would happen if this were done and Picard was not dying at the time? That begs the question--could there be TWO Picards at the same time? If so, then no, this is not Picard, but a perfect copy.

If two versions, the living and the android version can exist at the same time, then that is not a true transfer of consciousness.

 

[Terok Nor]

I still don't know exactly what Soji and Picard are. Are they human? Are they androids? Are they clones? It wasn't really explained. I checked Memory Alpha and even they aren't certain what Soji is. Troi couldn't sense Soji's emotions so does that mean she can't sense Picard's anymore either? America explain! This is Kansas! Why is this Ar Kansas! I am confusion!

 

[Nenya]

It's a good metaphor for the last two shows.

 

[Makarov]

It was all a dream Picard had as he snoozed in his den on the vineyard

 

[eschaton]

I still don't know exactly what Soji and Picard are. Are they human? Are they androids? Are they clones? It wasn't really explained. I checked Memory Alpha and even they aren't certain what Soji is. Troi couldn't sense Soji's emotions so does that mean she can't sense Picard's anymore either? America explain! This is Kansas! Why is this Ar Kansas! I am confusion!

In Chabon's comments on Instagram, he said the "golem" was completely biological/vat grown. Synthesized but 100% organic. Which makes the whole "synthetic life" thing that much more ridiculous, but still.

 

[Longinus]

In Chabon's comments on Instagram, he said the "golem" was completely biological/vat grown. Synthesized but 100% organic. Which makes the whole "synthetic life" thing that much more ridiculous, but still.

Then what's the point? It is just a clone? And why would you need to limit the lifespan, one would assume normal biological tissue would normally age without any 'programming?' Is Soji like that too, except custom build DNA? Why would she have superpowers then? And if they're just clones, what they really have to do with Data, as they have literally nothing in common? The big deal about Data was his positronic brain and they talked about 'positronic neurons' in this show. But if synths do not have positronic brains, then why does this matter?

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

They didn't "need to", they knew that Picard wouldn't be down with the immortality thing, so they limited his lifespan.

 

[Kirk Prime]

I still don't know exactly what Soji and Picard are. Are they human? Are they androids? Are they clones? It wasn't really explained. I checked Memory Alpha and even they aren't certain what Soji is. Troi couldn't sense Soji's emotions so does that mean she can't sense Picard's anymore either? America explain! This is Kansas! Why is this Ar Kansas! I am confusion!

This is a big question as to whether this is really Picard. I think if Troi can sense his emotions and sees no distinction, then it's him.

I think the season 2 story should focus on this and establish that yes, this is Picard.

Another way to make it clear is to duplicate the process with someone who hasn't died.

If that person is in his new body but is completely brain dead on his old body, that's a sign that his consciousness has been transferred.

 

[picardjean-luc]

From Jessie Gender: "Is Synth Picard Still Picard?"

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[Replica Picard]

As much as I love Patrick Stewart, I feel like they missed an opportunity to bring in a younger actor for the role. Then again, they could still transfer him again, I guess. And then again again, the fandom might get out pitchforks and torches if they don't let Picard die with Stewart.

But I was thinking someone like this guy: both roles he is doing here, combined.

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So we get best of both worlds

I... see what you did there.

What this does do is open a can of worms, since apparently, they just invented immortality. Why would anyone want to be in a flesh body that decays and dies when they could be in a human one?

Maybe they don't. Maybe this is the start of whatever leads to Crewman Daniels' response to Capt. Archer about whether he was human or not. "More or less."

 

[picardjean-luc]

It was all a dream Picard had as he snoozed in his den on the vineyard

Or in a semi-comatose state as he's affected by the Irrumodic Syndrome .

 

[picardjean-luc]

As much as I love Patrick Stewart, I feel like they missed an opportunity to bring in a younger actor for the role. Then again, they could still transfer him again, I guess. And then again again, the fandom might get out pitchforks and torches if they don't let Picard die with Stewart.

But I was thinking someone like this guy: both roles he is doing here, combined.

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I... see what you did there.

Maybe they don't. Maybe this is the start of whatever leads to Crewman Daniels' response to Capt. Archer about whether he was human or not. "More or less."

So who do you think should play a young-ish Picard? James McAvoy?

My own preference is having his consciousness transferred to the EMH, so in S2 he would've been played by Bob Picardo

 

[F. King Daniel]

So who do you think should play a young-ish Picard? James McAvoy?

He's 40 years old we need someone younger