Hmm. I wonder if at any point we'll see Rios' holograms all merged into an ERH (Emergency Rios Hologram)?
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x08 - "Broken Pieces"
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And what's this hologram going to speak? Klingon?
Technobabble, of the sort to hand-wave any plot point!And what's this hologram going to speak? Klingon?
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Russian Accent.And what's this hologram going to speak? Klingon?
It won't. It'll be like Silent Bob and communicate wholly by gesturing and facial mugging. #HoloprogramSnoogans1
Why even call them "emergency" holograms anymore? They're everyday holograms on that ship, performing all duties on a regular basis.
Because of their habit of emerging unexpectedly, especially if you were looking for the Captain they resemble.
Damn, that's right.
But wouldn't Rios recognize Data, too? He knew Picard, and Data is at least as famous, being both the only android in Starfleet and being joined at the hip with Picard.
Well, we saw a child and we saw an adult-- we never saw anything in between. We're taking the Warrior Nuns' word for it that the adult was the child.
Don't blame me, I'm just thinking out loud.
And he did have that reputation as "Often-Wrong Soong."
He knew him by reputation, we don't know if he could have visually identified him. And if BF looks like, say, aged Spiner without Data makeup, then the resemblance to photos of Data may not seem so obvious.
On a large ship like ibn Majid, you'd expect someone to recognise a person who looks like the famous Data, surely, even if he was more aged and human in appearance...so now I'm wondering if that person was Captain Vandermeer himself, whose career would have been contemporary with Data's, and who may have wanted to keep any concerns or suspicions to himself at first, not even sharing them with his first officer. I'd been wondering how Oh would even have known about the synths, so maybe Vandermeer contacted her in confidence, as head of security, to say he'd taken aboard passengers in a first contact situation but one of them was the spitting image of Data and he didn't know what to make of it...only for her to put two and two together and come up with the kill order.
Maybe, but you'd think senior officers would be briefed on Data's history, which would include Soong-- who is old Data without makeup. Plus which, any new arrivals on the ship would be scanned and you'd think the computer would flag such an odd similarity in appearance. It seems a bit of a stretch.
Why?
Data was one officer and by that point in history a dead officer. With presumably no other members of his 'species' in existence. He may have a certain celebrity, people telling stories, etc, but I see no reason whatsoever why senior officers would automatically be briefed on him.
Which brings us back to a continuity point on TNG...that nobody knew Soong had created Data for something like 18 years before "Datalore," even though Data had been created in Soong's image. Soong's face must not have been very well known, that even cyberneticists, who would surely have been interested in Data, didn't recognize him.
Did we ever know computers to do this in Trek?
He was the only android in the history of Starfleet and he died in the Shinzon incident. If Rios was familiar with Picard, he would surely be familiar with Data.
That's a good point. That distinctive profile should have connected him to Soong immediately.
I can't think of any specific incidents, but surely a first contact situation involving an alien Hippie who looks like the only android in the history of Starfleet would raise a flag. You would expect them to run a search to compare to prior contacts and such.
With trillions of beings who have roughly human facial features, and the same actors often having played multiple roles as different species, there must be lots of people who coincidentally resemble other people in this setting.
Not seeing it. Why would they assume these people might resemble somebody else that they'd know?
I don't dispute he would likely/plausibly be familiar with Data. Obviously Data must be at least somewhat well known.
I don't see any logical reason why he would ever have been officially briefed on Data, though. Especially since Data died (last of his species, or so people thought) before Rios ever even made any real command posting. But even if that weren't the case, why would Starfleet possibly waste time by briefing every single command officer in the fleet on Data's history? Data's history isn't that important.
Besides, there are all those anecdotal reports of various celebrities making themselves downright unrecognizable simply by changing their expressions and posture, and of course their hair/wardrobe, and the witnesses only being able to describe them as vaguely familiar until their identities were confirmed. I guess that could be heightened much more by a Spiner android lacking Data's most obvious distinguishing marks like his skin and eyes. Even if Rios knew how Data looked like, he'd probably only get a vague sense of familiarity that he cannot place; the kind that most people would readily dismiss if something else caught their attention.
Beautiful Flower is going to be a Narek twin and the father of all these Synths will be Data but looking much more human. I think Narek mentioning his dead brother is a hint at his synth origins. We also know that the Synth planet was sending out emissaries what if the Romulans encountered two 'narek-type' synths captured them and one of them died while the romulans were figuring out how to get the location of their homeworld?
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Would not surprise me.
Rios hasn't seen Narek yet so that option is still available.
I never bought the idea of there only being the Soji/Dahj synth type, it makes sense that there would be others.
Data showed us 5 Queens in the dream, we currently know about 3 of them with two being dead, it indicates that there are two more like Soji out there as well.
Perhaps there are 5 Kings as well all based on Narek.
I see some in the forum have locked on to the idea of VGer being a part of it, however that is not new if you have read the Shatner Star Trek novels, it would be a nice connection between the first film and Picard.
