Donny's Klingon Stuff

[Donny]

Chromatic aberration is great for adding a small touch of realism. I use it in all my renders.

That blue looks great there, but it also looks very "non-Klingon" to me. It's weird thinking how small choices 40 years ago completely changed the whole aesthetic, we could've easily ended up with something very different!

Kruge’s BoP bridge had a blue/red lighting scheme as well!

 

[Rekkert]

True! I guess that one also never really screamed 'Klingon' to me.
Perhaps it would be a good alternative for when the K'tinga is cloaked?

 

[Maurice]

True! I guess that one also never really screamed 'Klingon' to me.
Perhaps it would be a good alternative for when the K'tinga is cloaked?

Bah! If K’tingas had cloaks don’t you think they’d have tried them when hightailing from V’ger? Ergo they don’t.

 

[Norsehound]

I was curious and did a quick test to see how things would look with the Probert concept lighting. The results are promising and worth exploring more later.

Don't get ahead of yourself too much Donny! Remember, the blue underlighting is projected in the forward compartment under the captain... the helm area looks like it's red over-lighting in the painting

That blue looks great there, but it also looks very "non-Klingon" to me. It's weird thinking how small choices 40 years ago completely changed the whole aesthetic, we could've easily ended up with something very different!

Part of the reason I love this effort is because it shows us the path not taken. Every Klingon bridge since seems to have more in common with the Trek IV bridge, instead of the faux Romulan BoP III bridge or this setup from TMP. I think the only thing that carried over, remotely, from this bridge was sticking the helmsman behind Chang in ST 6.

 

[Maurice]

Painting? Actually, it's colored pencil on black paper...

 

[StarCruiser]

^ That's exactly what is it...I'm sure Andy would confirm it.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Bah! If K’tingas had cloaks don’t you think they’d have tried them when hightailing from V’ger? Ergo they don’t.

The Klingons did a lot of stupid things when encountering V'Ger. Not using cloaks when they could have would fall right in line with that.

 

[137th Gebirg]

As advanced as V'Ger ostensibly was (taking Sulu's "12th Power" incredulity at V'Ger's power output and Decker's comment on "thousands of starships couldn't generate that much" as a benchmark), I doubt 23rd century cloaks would have been effective. Why not save the energy for weapons and shields - as the Klingons did - and just as I would when faced with that kind of adversary. Then again, I wouldn't have been so stupid as to fly my little pea-shooter of a ship into the guts of a one-AU-diameter vessel ready to pick a fight, either.

 

[Donny]

To be fair and IIRC, at the time of the making of TMP, Klingons weren't known to use cloaks. At that point, cloaking technology was strictly Romulan, correct? It wasn't until TSFS that we see Klingon's using a cloaking device, and according to the script, that was because Kruge stole what was then a new Bird of Prey from the Romulans. So, ignoring any retconning by ENT or DISC, it made perfect sense for the Amar and it's sister ships to not be cloaked when approaching V'ger.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[StarCruiser]

The only problem with that is the old Kimble blueprints of the K'Tinga show a cloaking device and the neck is supposed to have part of the grid to deploy it (technically, official blueprints at the time):

https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/star-trek-the-motion-picture.php

 

[137th Gebirg]

To be fair and IIRC, at the time of the making of TMP, Klingons weren't known to use cloaks. At that point, cloaking technology was strictly Romulan, correct? It wasn't until TSFS that we see Klingon's using a cloaking device, and according to the script, that was because Kruge stole what was then a new Bird of Prey from the Romulans. So, ignoring any retconning by ENT or DISC, it made perfect sense for the Amar and it's sister ships to not be cloaked when approaching V'ger.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think you're 100% correct about that. My flawed memory does recall cloaking D-7's, but I'm sure those were their Romulan counterparts, likely from Enterprise Incident.

It never made sense why Klingons would operate under cloak, anyway, with their obsession over fighting honorably. Further post-TSFS retconning inferred that Kruge and his crew were actually starting to go insane from operating under cloak for so long, it having a deleterious effect on Klingon physiology, along with substandard engineering from warp core radiation exposure. Which is also why he took prisoners and acted "dishonorably" in combat, at least by 24th century standards, and risk open war with the Federation by going so deep into their territory. He clearly wasn't entirely all there. Perfectly played by Christopher Lloyd, I might add, by clearly inserting some "Reverend Jim" DNA into the character. "Put 'em on screen".

 

[Mytran]

The notion of Klingons having cloaking devices goes back to November 1973 and the episode The Time Trap

 

[JonnyQuest037]

It never made sense why Klingons would operate under cloak, anyway, with their obsession over fighting honorably.

Klingons being honorable was not a concept that existed until STIII, and not really developed until TNG. The Romulans were the honorable ones on TOS. TOS Klingons will double cross you as soon as your back is turned, and possibly even before.

 

[David cgc]

I'm sure the constant K'Tinga stock footage used in early TNG had to be paired with some mention of a cloaking device (or "cloaking shields"? That sounds right), though the implication in the movies was that the only Klingon ships fitted with one were Birds of Prey (both TSFS and TUC have characters leaping to that conclusion as soon as they realize a cloaking device is in the situation). The video game Starfleet Academy split the difference, with there being the "D7" and the "D7-A," and the latter could cloak.

Of course, now Discovery threw a monkey wrench into that whole situation, suggesting the Klingons might've invented cloaking devices even before the Romulans did, since the technology came from the old Sarcophagus ship.

 

[Norsehound]

I think you're 100% correct about that. My flawed memory does recall cloaking D-7's, but I'm sure those were their Romulan counterparts, likely from Enterprise Incident.

It never made sense why Klingons would operate under cloak, anyway, with their obsession over fighting honorably. Further post-TSFS retconning inferred that Kruge and his crew were actually starting to go insane from operating under cloak for so long, it having a deleterious effect on Klingon physiology, along with substandard engineering from warp core radiation exposure. Which is also why he took prisoners and acted "dishonorably" in combat, at least by 24th century standards, and risk open war with the Federation by going so deep into their territory. He clearly wasn't entirely all there. Perfectly played by Christopher Lloyd, I might add, by clearly inserting some "Reverend Jim" DNA into the character. "Put 'em on screen".

Maybe from the animated series? I do like that take on Kruge and crew.

Personally I was never wild about TNG honor and cloaking ability. The former was never inferred by TOS and felt like a caricature by DS9. For the latter, for a while it started to seem like every adversary of the Federation was gaining the ability to become invisible (as well as adopting green for their primary color). I'd rather Invisibility be only the Romulans thing.

In my artwork and the like, I always posit by the movie era Klingon Cloaking technology was new and very untested. If the BoPs can't be retconned as stolen Romulans after all, the technology was tried out in these new space raiders to harass the Federation efforts in peacetime (maybe the Romulan styling could have been a crude effort of false-flag operations). K'T'ingas and the rest of the main fleet units did not use cloaking technology, but relied on speed and low emissions for stealth operations. Cloaking technology didn't become mainstream until the Ent-C era, after a long battle over its adoption.

But K'T'ingas of the TMP never, ever used cloaks unless in special circumstances (such as Kronos One).

 

[captainkirk]

Unfortunately, I do not think this is possible. But to be honest I haven't researched it very much either.

I believe it is possible to have localized fog. From what I understand, you have to use particles to control the density, but I've never attempted to do it. I've only ever added fog to the whole environment.

 

[Tarek71]

The Klingons did a lot of stupid things when encountering V'Ger. Not using cloaks when they could have would fall right in line with that.

As soon as the 1st ship was "de-materialized" (or whatever you call what the V'Ger weapons do), I would have hit maximum warp. But maybe they thought this was a good day to die, and decided to fight it out. Still seems amazingly dumb.

 

[Tallguy]

As mentioned the TMP plans give the K'Tinga a cloak. As well as the Enterprise!

 

[cardinal biggles]

Really? I didn't see it mentioned in any of the callouts.

 

[Maurice]

As soon as the 1st ship was "de-materialized" (or whatever you call what the V'Ger weapons do), I would have hit maximum warp. But maybe they thought this was a good day to die, and decided to fight it out. Still seems amazingly dumb.

I take it as writ that the Klingons were hightailing at warp away from V’ger. But even at 1000 times the speed of light you ain’t getting clear of a solar system sized cloud for a couple of minutes.

And yes, it’s 82 AUs, no matter what the DE people convinced Wise to do.