Vulcan was destroyed the 2009 film, but that was in an alternate timeline. In the Prime Timeline of Picard, only the Romulan system has been destroyed.
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Exactly. So, what's the problem with Vulcan again?
This isn't directed at any one person, since I see a lot of different comments around about current Trek's tone and such. I understand that every Trek series is not going to be for everyone. And what Trek I like others won't like, etc, etc.
And, I get that I might come across as a bit of dick in these posts, but the level of hyperbole around "destruction" is getting to be a bit much. I understand that Trek means different things to different fans. But, I honestly am struggling to find a way to get the idea that if the new Trek isn't happy then somehow the world is worse?
I feel like you haven't actually watched Picard, or any recent Trek, and are only reacting based off youtube videos because if you had watched Picard and Discovery, etc, you'd know that Vulcan hasn't been destroyed.
Vulcan is completely intact in everything except the Kelvin universe films.
I was actually referring to the Kelvin universe films here because I saw that as typical for the current gloom-and doom trend in almost all series.
I have watched three episodes of Picard so far and 4 episodes of Discovery.
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You must spend a lot of time writing comments on YouTube.
What is “BRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUHHHHHHHH”?
You need to mix it up. Maybe toss in a Lady Gaga every other post. Or find a artist who’s a little more recent.
“BRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUHHHHHHHH” is what some people call "growling". I call it anti-music. It's very far from the hard rock and heavy metal I like.
And I don't like Lady Gaga. Overrated piece of crap.
I hope that you are right as I haven't totally given up on Picard yet.
Lots of TOS eps end on somber, even tragic notes: "Where No Man Has Gone Before," "Balance of Terror," "Mantrap," "Charlie X," "Conscience of the King," "City on the Edge of Forever," "The Paradise Syndrome," "Requiem from Methuselah," "Mark of Gideon," "Catspaw," "All Our Yesterdays," etc.
Remember the final moments of "Balance of Terror," with Kirk striding grimly away from the poor woman whose fiancee was killed on their wedding day? Or Kirk's wife and unborn child stoned to death before his eyes? Or poor Zarabeth doomed to spend the rest of her life alone in an Ice Age? Or Odona allowing herself to be infected with a terminal disease in order to bring death and disease back to her overpopulated planet?
I swear, if some of those eps aired today, the internet would be up in arms about they weren't "hopeful" or "utopian" enough.
"What kind of depressing, nihilistic shit is this? Kirk throws an innocent woman under the bus to save the timeline? Gideon solves its overpopulation problem by having Kirk infect another woman with a fatal disease, in order to start a plague that will kill off millions? What sort of utopian vision is that? A real STAR TREK captain would have found a way to save the planet without starting a global pandemic!"
You misunderstand, you should add her to your modern music sucks list. Just saying Beiber every post is boring.
Truth be told I’ve never been a fan of Heavy Metal. Even Hard Rock is hit or miss for me. Give me a band like the Beatles over that stuff any day of the week.
Or Eight days a week.
So, this is basically through act 1 of a movie. Of course it's going to be challenging. The resolution hasn't happened yet! O_o
Also, there is very little about the Kelvin films that I would even remotely call "doom and gloom." The destruction of Vulcan is treated with solemnity and Kirk and Spock's own internal struggles are front and center as part of the films, and they overcome them.
How in the wide world of sports does overcoming challenges mean "doom and gloom" by any definition? Hell, in the first episode with Kirk he had to kill his best friend, and in the "Man Trap" McCoy basically commits genocide by killing the last of a race.
But, that's optimism for you...
How in the wide world of sports does overcoming challenges mean "doom and gloom" by any definition? Hell, in the first episode with Kirk he had to kill his best friend, and in the "Man Trap" McCoy basically commits genocide by killing the last of a race.
But, that's optimism for you...
As I'm fond of pointing out, Roddenberry's original STAR TREK pilot featured a depressed, world-weary starship captain, on the verge of quitting, who is tortured by voyeuristic aliens trying to force him to mate in captivity with a woman who ends up being left behind because she's hideously disfigured . . . .
That's was "Gene's Vision," too. His original vision, in fact, and classic STAR TREK.
The vision where Starfleet and humanity were the barometer of what was good in the universe.Not a group of self-serving bureaucrats too intent in keeping their little patch of the galaxy safe and tidy.
(Yeah it’s a metaphor
We get it).
It was always my take on Trek that Picard was by no means an exceptional human being(by the standards of their time)and that the way any alien first contact would be treated would be the same if it were any other starship captain other than him.The show seems (to me) to be trading on Picard’s exceptionalism which paradoxically is what I like least about it.
But what do I know?
(Yeah it’s a metaphor
We get it).It was always my take on Trek that Picard was by no means an exceptional human being(by the standards of their time)and that the way any alien first contact would be treated would be the same if it were any other starship captain other than him.The show seems (to me) to be trading on Picard’s exceptionalism which paradoxically is what I like least about it.
But what do I know?
Raffi - "Get the f...off my property!"
Visitors - "Bu we're the love instructors"
"Auntie Raffi doesn't need love instructors, honey."
I've got to say that if someone's issue is "I don't like anything after 19__", then the issue doesn't have to do with Picard in and of itself. Picard can't help being made when it was made. If PIC were exactly like TNG, DS9, or VOY, then that's what would've been strange. Not the other way around.
Are you referring to Death Metal?
Yup. Feels like a back in my day argument.
Back in my day, Star Trek was about humans going to a planet to tell aliens that their culture is wrong and how they need to change, then leaving and never coming back.
I'll add Kirk's reaction to the gladiatorial combat in "Bread and Circuses." OK, nothing actually happens to McCoy and Spock, but it might have, and Kirk's basically going "well, this is what we signed on for when we took the oath. If they die, they die." It's one of my favorite Kirk moments.
Edit: anyone else wonder what those forms of entertainment that make the arena "look like a folk dance" were like?
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I'd trade Wilco or the New Pornographers for Cream in a heartbeat. Maybe even for Zeppelin.
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