Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x08 - "Broken Pieces"

[Llywela]

Nothing we see in Voyager suggests an out-of-the-box Picardo would fail to report a murder .

I'm currently re-watching season one Voyager and it is very clear in those early episodes that the Doctor is not able to switch himself on or off at will, even when he has important work he wants to get on with. It is actually a plot point in the first few episodes, which Kes has to argue on his behalf to Captain Janeway, because it hadn't occurred to anyone in the crew. So no, the out-of-the-box Doctor in Voyager would not, in fact, be able to report a murder he had witnessed, if the murderer had switched him off, because he would not be able to activate himself in order to do so. The ability to switch himself on or off had to be given to him, specifically added to his programme, when he asked for it, because it hadn't occurred to anyone that he might need such an ability. And even then Kes had to fight for it.

Rios's holograms are pretty much straight out of the box. Whatever fiddling he has done with their programming has not improved it. The show has demonstrated that they are not able to switch themselves on or off at will, but rather activate in response to specific situations and commands. Agnes switched the EMH off and after that nothing tripped his activation protocol until she collapsed, therefore he wasn't able to report what he had seen.

ETA it is worth adding that if Beautiful Flower had been a Data clone, there were more people on the ibn Majid than just Rios - someone on that crew would have recognised him and commented on the resemblance, and Rios would most likely have heard about it, even if he didn't clock the likeness himself.

 

[SJGardner]

Picard was convinced that banning synths was a mistake after the actual event that led to their banning. It isn't at all clear that the truth would've been less effective than the attack the Zhat Vash staged, and certainly not in all centuries they could've revealed it. Even taking what you say at face value doesn't explain why they would keep the secret in the first place.

I've had the impression that random small groups of people going around and preaching all kinds of fire-and-brimstone doomsday scenarios are usually not believed. If they tried to lobby overtly, most people would just dismiss them as yet another insane doomsday cult at best and they would get flagged as a hate group and placed under surveillance at worst. How many small fringe groups have been taken seriously on a mass level in the past? The Zhat Vash would be just another drop in the ocean.

 

[Farscape One]

There are very few civilizations from that era that have been referenced.

The T'Kon Empire is certainly a strong possibility.

What about the Dyson Sphere creators? We never learned who they were... and that creation could have been something they built BEFORE they figured out how to move stars, etc... if indeed it is the T'Kon.

Iconians... the timeline fits, though they don't feel quite advanced enough to be the ancients that created the system. I doubt they would have let their homeworld get bombed out like that if they were powerful enough to move stars.

I think we can eliminate the Preservers, though mostly because we never actually learn anything about them.


Here's a thought... what if the ancients are the people who eliminated the T'Kon, Iconians, and anyone else who got to the AI threshold?

And another thought... what if the Borg connection in this series is much more subtle? It's not them that's the key... it's the transwarp hub they use that's the key. It's definitely an artificial construct, and I seriously doubt the Borg came up with it. I think they found it, and not by assimilating knowledge, either.

The transwarp network is so vast and complex, I would put that on par with a power level of being able to create an 8 star system like here. Maybe learning more about that will yield more about the ancients.

And perhaps a crazy thought... what if the alien progenitors from "The Chase" are those ancients? They did exist before all of them. Someone mentioned the BABYLON 5 vibes with this show, and I agree. Could that race be the equivalent of the Vorlons and what they did in the Deathwalker incident?

 

[KennyB]

This has became a wonderful weekly listen for me........https://deadline.com/2020/03/star-t...an-michael-chabon-jason-zimmerman-1202881398/

 

[Seven of Five]

Girlfriend? The synth who was killed on the ibn Majid wasn't Rios's girlfriend. She was a visitor to his ship who was murdered by his captain.

Oh ignore me I'm watching an entirely different series. Last week I made a similar listening error with something.

Whatever show I'm watching, I'm enjoying. It doesn't help that I've had the sound turned down on the TV when my husband is in bed still, or gone to bed at night.

 

[SG-17]

One regret I have about this series is that The Doctor isn't involved. He is a synthetic lifeform. A completely different kind of synthetic lifeform, but one nonetheless.

 

[Gonzo]

TKon - Good fit as we know they can move stars and in the non canon books they are destroyed by an enemy that can destroy stars.
Iconians - Maybe but the TKon above fit better.
Preservers - Not their MO at all.
The Totality - Same as above.
The Borg - Nah not even close.

The Tkon do fit the best but a lot of what happened to them is non canon for now.

O would be a perfect fit for the big bad that the message warns about.

 

[Romulan_spy]

I've got a nagging feeling that the endgame for Picard is for him to be offered a place in the Q Continuum, so I could see them getting involved at some point. Not likely this season though.

I could see that as a beautiful series finale to put the final capstone on the Picard character. Picard is dying and Q shows up. Q gives Picard a review of his entire life (nostalgic clip show) and in the end Q gives Picard a chance to become a Q. Picard accepts. Q snaps his finger and the closing shot is Q and Picard on a long road and Q says "welcome to the Q continuum mon capitaine"

 

[Gonzo]

I could see that as a beautiful series finale to put the final capstone on the Picard character. Picard is dying and Q shows up. Q gives Picard a review of his entire life (nostalgic clip show) and in the end Q gives Picard a chance to become a Q. Picard accepts. Q snaps his finger and the closing shot is Q and Picard on a long road and Q says "welcome to the Q continuum mon capitaine"

Wouldn't surprise me at all.

We know the Q are constantly testing other sentient races and lifeforms but we have never actually been told why, is that how they recruit new members.

One person is chosen from each species to be tested and those that pass are given a choice.

Mind you it does feel a bit Stargate SG1 to me.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Seeing Seven plug in and become a Borg Queen so easily, it got me thinking. When Seven was part of the Borg Collective before Voyager liberated her, was she part of the special class of Borg drones that are groomed to become Queens? Voyager seem to imply this considering that Seven was part of the inner circle close to the Borg Queen plus the Borg Queen showed a personal interest in Seven throughout the Voyager series.

 

[Gonzo]

Seeing Seven plug in and become a Borg Queen so easily, it got me thinking. When Seven was part of the Borg Collective before Voyager liberated her, was she part of the special class of Borg drones that are groomed to become Queens? Voyager seem to imply this considering that Seven was part of the inner circle close to the Borg Queen plus the Borg Queen showed a personal interest in Seven throughout the Voyager series.

Its a possibility that some drones are groomed as possible replacements.

We don't even know how long a Borg drone or Queen can live for, it can't be forever so there has to be an upper limit.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

About the question of why Zhat Vashbdud not go after Data.

Maybe they did not consider him over the threshold, looked into the technology and didn’t think it’d be replicable and did not anticipate the neuron theory.

It makes sense for other drones to be able to take over role as Queen.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Its a possibility that some drones are groomed as possible replacements.

We don't even know how long a Borg drone or Queen can live for, it can't be forever so there has to be an upper limit.

I think that might even be part of Seven asking Picard about regaining his humanity. She may still have a longing to return to the Collective, perhaps because she's a potential Queen. That last line about Annika still having work to do and even her trepidation before plug in because she might not want to let the mini Collective go makes me wonder if she could end up back with the Borg in some way or other.

 

[Spicy Thunder]

Don't know if it was mentioned here before, but after watching Ready Room for e.8, I'm thinking that a Hugh/seven teamup-backstory show would be pretty awesome!

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

Don't know if it was mentioned here before, but after watching Ready Room for e.8, I'm thinking that a Hugh/seven teamup-backstory show would be pretty awesome!

It would. But I'm not a big fan of prequels, particularly when I already know that one of our heroes will meet his untimely demise.

 

[SG-17]

I think that might even be part of Seven asking Picard about regaining his humanity. She may still have a longing to return to the Collective, perhaps because she's a potential Queen. That last line about Annika still having work to do and even her trepidation before plug in because she might not want to let the mini Collective go makes me wonder if she could end up back with the Borg in some way or other.

I wonder if Seven could become Queen and stop/free/change the Borg?

 

[Spicy Thunder]

It would. But I'm not a big fan of prequels, particularly when I already know that one of our heroes will meet his untimely demise.

Yea. But it would at least be nice to know in some form how Hugh was able to lead his own Borg from Decent, and how Seven got to know him. Even a comic would be nice.

 

[DaveyNY]

And then there's Lore which they did nothing about. Giving Lore's outlaw nature and status; you think someone in the That Vash would have made a move to capture/use/or destroy him.

Lore was obviously too wary and was constantly looking over his back for anybody to take him out.
It took his brother to finally put an end to Lore's shenanigans.
Also, B4 was not really a fully functional threat to anybody.

 

[Kor]

I was right about the android apocalypse vision being from the ancient past. Everyone else thought it was from the future!

Kor

 

[DaveyNY]

One regret I have about this series is that The Doctor isn't involved. He is a synthetic lifeform. A completely different kind of synthetic lifeform, but one nonetheless.

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