i think he's getting a little lost in his own show, but man was his performance great in this episode. and the way he channels OG picard when he needs to... chef kiss.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x08 - "Broken Pieces"
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All it takes is a snap of the fingers...
I would have considered this another ride in on the USS Fanservice, but the reference to Marta Batanides was pretty smart, tying this moment in Picard's life to his experiences and ultimately, to think thoughtfully of risk taking.
... and sometimes a very fancy glove.
... and sometimes a very fancy glove.
If only we knew what color glove, ya know?
I mean, imagine if we had an idea that someone with gloves were already involved in having pictures taken
IIRC, didn't Maddox tell Jurati that he, Soong, and her had finally done it and that her contribution was essential?
People conflating the Dahj/Soji stuff with possible remnants of an earlier synth race may be jumping the gun. They are likely 2 seperate things. Though Maddox/Soong could have used them as a jumping off point for Data/Soji.
Also, was I the only one that had a Galadriel "All shall love me and despair"/"I shall diminish, and remain Galadriel" flashback on Seven's Borg Queen moment?
I thought Elnor might have to chop her free for a moment.
Well, to be fair, only the Zhat Vhash think the galaxy is on the line this time.
Here's a quote which might explain the Admonition better:
Klaatu: I am leaving soon, and you will forgive me if I speak bluntly. The universe grows smaller every day, and the threat of aggression by any group, anywhere, can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all or no one is secure. Now, this does not mean giving up any freedom except the freedom to act irresponsibly. Your ancestors knew this when they made laws to govern themselves and hired policemen to enforce them. We of the other planets have long accepted this principle. We have an organization for the mutual protection of all planets and for the complete elimination of aggression. The test of any such higher authority is, of course, the police force that supports it. For our policemen, we created a race of robots. Their function is to patrol the planets in space ships like this one, and preserve the peace. In matters of aggression, we have given them absolute power over us; this power can not be revoked. At the first sign of violence, they act automatically against the aggressor. The penalty for provoking their action is too terrible to risk. The result is that we live in peace, without arms or armies, secure in the knowledge that we are free from aggression and war. Free to pursue more profitable enterprises. Now, we do not pretend to have achieved perfection, but we do have a system, and it works. I came here to give you these facts. It is no concern of ours how you run your own planet. But if you threaten to extend your violence, this Earth of yours will be reduced to a burned-out cinder. Your choice is simple: join us and live in peace, or pursue your present course and face obliteration. We shall be waiting for your answer; the decision rests with you.
The Synths feared by the Zhat Vash were the policemen.
Works for me!
Klaatu: I am leaving soon, and you will forgive me if I speak bluntly. The universe grows smaller every day, and the threat of aggression by any group, anywhere, can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all or no one is secure. Now, this does not mean giving up any freedom except the freedom to act irresponsibly. Your ancestors knew this when they made laws to govern themselves and hired policemen to enforce them. We of the other planets have long accepted this principle. We have an organization for the mutual protection of all planets and for the complete elimination of aggression. The test of any such higher authority is, of course, the police force that supports it. For our policemen, we created a race of robots. Their function is to patrol the planets in space ships like this one, and preserve the peace. In matters of aggression, we have given them absolute power over us; this power can not be revoked. At the first sign of violence, they act automatically against the aggressor. The penalty for provoking their action is too terrible to risk. The result is that we live in peace, without arms or armies, secure in the knowledge that we are free from aggression and war. Free to pursue more profitable enterprises. Now, we do not pretend to have achieved perfection, but we do have a system, and it works. I came here to give you these facts. It is no concern of ours how you run your own planet. But if you threaten to extend your violence, this Earth of yours will be reduced to a burned-out cinder. Your choice is simple: join us and live in peace, or pursue your present course and face obliteration. We shall be waiting for your answer; the decision rests with you.
The Synths feared by the Zhat Vash were the policemen.
Works for me!
9. Great episode.
I love Santiago Cabrera...the scene with the multiple emergency holos was fab.
Add to that getting all the detail and more back story on multiple fronts, and Seven getting even more badass. Bam.
I love Santiago Cabrera...the scene with the multiple emergency holos was fab.
Add to that getting all the detail and more back story on multiple fronts, and Seven getting even more badass. Bam.
I was thinking iconions.
Holy shit, that was awesome! Rated 10. Rambling follows below.
Starting with Picard's speech at the end... Great Maker, he's back. And he's learned so much, he's so much wiser and kinder than he was in his prime. He's perfectly right about the Zhat Vash being wrong; we can't demonize all synthetic life because of what happened 200 thousand years ago. The whole episode made it obvious that Picard finally got his mojo back, best exemplified by the speech as well as his second meeting with Clancy. He was so much more like himself this time, exactly like how his old self used to shame authority figures into doing the right thing, and she practically contorted herself in rage as she had to concede that he was right all along. And of course, as he reminisced about Data and admitted he loved him, I had tears in my eyes. And, for a more comedic angle, I loved how he, with his confidence returned, just sat down in Rios' chair like it's the most natural thing to do and didn't realize what he was doing until he realized he didn't know jack about the controls.
So much has happened, oh my god. It reminds me of what JMS did at the end of the first season of Babylon 5, taking all the strings laid out throughout the season and tying them into a tight knot. Symbolized by the big explanation scene in the mess hall, the pieces of the puzzle have been finally laid on the table and clicked all into place, with Oh's true identity, Rios' heartbreaking story of Captain Vandermeer's death, Jurati coming clean and confessing everything, Soji's activation revealing her innate memories, and even Raffi's astonished reaction that she was finally proven right - she looked like she couldn't believe her own voice. And of course, referring to Memory Alpha, the timeframe of 200 thousand years ago leaves us with two possibilities - the Iconians who were destroyed around that time, and the Borg, who, according to Guinan, have begun their evolution into cybernetic life. Of course it could always be a new one too. Let's see.
Well, this being a Wham Episode wasn't the only thing that reminded me of Babylon 5, as Oh's meddling with the lingering mind-meld and the mental blocks reminded me of how Alfred Bester mind-raped Garibaldi (of course that was much subtler), and when Seven's eyes turned black as she took control of the Artifact, she reminded me of Lyta telepathically controlling Shadow ships. Well, it's all superficial, I guess. But still, Star Trek: Picard is not Star Trek, it's Babylon 5!!! It's true!!!
As for Seven, I was glad to see the creeping dread on her face as she realized she'd have to plug herself into the cube and risk being assimilated. I'm sure that when talking about the mini-collective, she had painful flashbacks into the events of Survival Instinct. But I was relieved to see her being able to resist and disconnect herself. Annika still has work to do. All things said, my heart is still pumping and I can't wait for next week.
That stream-of-consciousness thing:
Starting with Picard's speech at the end... Great Maker, he's back. And he's learned so much, he's so much wiser and kinder than he was in his prime. He's perfectly right about the Zhat Vash being wrong; we can't demonize all synthetic life because of what happened 200 thousand years ago. The whole episode made it obvious that Picard finally got his mojo back, best exemplified by the speech as well as his second meeting with Clancy. He was so much more like himself this time, exactly like how his old self used to shame authority figures into doing the right thing, and she practically contorted herself in rage as she had to concede that he was right all along. And of course, as he reminisced about Data and admitted he loved him, I had tears in my eyes. And, for a more comedic angle, I loved how he, with his confidence returned, just sat down in Rios' chair like it's the most natural thing to do and didn't realize what he was doing until he realized he didn't know jack about the controls.
So much has happened, oh my god. It reminds me of what JMS did at the end of the first season of Babylon 5, taking all the strings laid out throughout the season and tying them into a tight knot. Symbolized by the big explanation scene in the mess hall, the pieces of the puzzle have been finally laid on the table and clicked all into place, with Oh's true identity, Rios' heartbreaking story of Captain Vandermeer's death, Jurati coming clean and confessing everything, Soji's activation revealing her innate memories, and even Raffi's astonished reaction that she was finally proven right - she looked like she couldn't believe her own voice. And of course, referring to Memory Alpha, the timeframe of 200 thousand years ago leaves us with two possibilities - the Iconians who were destroyed around that time, and the Borg, who, according to Guinan, have begun their evolution into cybernetic life. Of course it could always be a new one too. Let's see.
Well, this being a Wham Episode wasn't the only thing that reminded me of Babylon 5, as Oh's meddling with the lingering mind-meld and the mental blocks reminded me of how Alfred Bester mind-raped Garibaldi (of course that was much subtler), and when Seven's eyes turned black as she took control of the Artifact, she reminded me of Lyta telepathically controlling Shadow ships. Well, it's all superficial, I guess. But still, Star Trek: Picard is not Star Trek, it's Babylon 5!!! It's true!!!
As for Seven, I was glad to see the creeping dread on her face as she realized she'd have to plug herself into the cube and risk being assimilated. I'm sure that when talking about the mini-collective, she had painful flashbacks into the events of Survival Instinct. But I was relieved to see her being able to resist and disconnect herself. Annika still has work to do. All things said, my heart is still pumping and I can't wait for next week.
That stream-of-consciousness thing:
- The nebula in the flashback looks like the Pillars of Creation in M16.
- The flashback itself was really creepy and terrifying, especially the reactions of the Romulans. When the android morphed into Data, my first thought was that Soong must have derived his work from the ancient Destroyers
- Narissa calls all XBs things but her own aunt... I didn't take it as a plothole, she's just a damn hypocrite.
- All the different holograms were pure genius. My astonished appreciation for Cabrera keeps growing with each episode.
- "I'm afraid I broke your gun. Someone get me another weapon." - Narissa keeps being Space Azula, and even escapes in the nick of time again.
- Qezh is apparently Romulan for "Fuck."
- Raffi's scenes were pure comedy gold: her exasperation at dealing with all the different holograms, staging an intervention with them, all five slapping their heads in unison, and of course mistaking the record player for a walkman. It was hysterical.
- The Ibn-Majid (NCC-75710) definitely looks like a post-Nemesis Sovereign refit for me. If you slim down the pylons, the resemblance is uncanny, and it even has those angled impulse drives jutting out of the back of the saucer.
- Marta Batanides was probably the last name I would've expected to hear today.
We don't even know if there still is a Praetor or Senate. Remember, it's Romulan Free State now, the Empire is gone.
I mean in regards to the Zhat Vash attacking Mars back when there was a Romulan Empire.
Literally about to have a second watch, but first impressions - loved so many of the character moments and still adoring this new take on Seven, but something's not quite landing for me emotionally, and talk about optimism falls oddly flat when it's coming from a character with plot armor.
Four generations of the same family.
Arik Soong, Noonien Soong, his unnamed son and Data/Lore/B4. That would be...kinda cool.
Four generations of the same family.
Arik Soong, Noonien Soong, his unnamed son and Data/Lore/B4. That would be...kinda cool.
The unnamed son can be played by Brent Spiner without the makeup. Cause you know... Spiner DNA runs in the family apparently.
You're the one who was going on the nonsensical assumption that the few good Romulans we've met in the story would be the only ones in existence, and all of the others would be bad. And you were counting the Qowat Milat as one individual. And now the entire village is responsible for something that a handful of people at the bar witnessed? And they represent all of Romulan society?
Yeah, he's only the one who hired the damn ship...
I'm starting to get the impression that you're not arguing in good faith.
state the glaringly obvious.
get beat up.
