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Spoilers The Rise of Skywalker Novel Confirms How Palpatine Returned

There really isn't. It is established in the franchise as a possibility within the franchise itself. "Because main character" isn't an excuse for why it can't be applied.

Oh, there really really is. Leaving aside the massive gulf in the execution; Palpatine was the main antagonist of the first two trilogies. His death mattered. He was the living embodiment of the malignant evil that had infected the galaxy, a being even Darth Vader feared, and his defeat was the simultaneous symbolic culmination of both Anakin's entire personal character arc AND the larger struggle of the rebellion against totalitarian oppression.

Maul was a disposable henchman who only became an actual character *after* they un-killed him. Much like OT Boba Fett, he was mostly a cool design there to serve a plot requirement, and to be dispatched when his role was fulfilled. He had zero agency in TPM. Hell, even Jango and Grevious had way more going on than he did and they each only had three or four scenes each.

Oh and "they did X before" is not exactly an endorsement. Indeed it fairly well sums up everything wrong with tRoS & TFA: it's all re-heated leftovers. A lazy, unoriginal retread. Bringing Palpatine back means nothing to anyone, least of all Rey who had zero relationship to him, making that connection a hollow, pointless one at best.

Difference between a TV show and a film.
Not at all. If this is *really* the direction they wanted to go, they had three movies to pull this off and instead they halfheartedly shoved it all into the third movie. "But it's not a TV show!" is hardly an excuse when you have 6 hours to play with and you spend a third of one movie farting around on a casino planet and half of another on a shallow and pointless McGuffin relay race.
 
Not at all. If this is *really* the direction they wanted to go, they had three movies to pull this off and instead they halfheartedly shoved it all into the third movie. "But it's not a TV show!" is hardly an excuse when you have 6 hours to play with and you spend a third of one movie farting around on a casino planet and half of another on a shallow and pointless McGuffin relay race.
That's fair.
Oh and "they did X before" is not exactly an endorsement. Indeed it fairly well sums up everything wrong with tRoS & TFA: it's all re-heated leftovers. A lazy, unoriginal retread. Bringing Palpatine back means nothing to anyone, least of all Rey who had zero relationship to him, making that connection a hollow, pointless one at best.
I disagree and that's where I'll leave it. It's tiresome to be constantly told the same thing over and over again about a film when I see more depth to it. Are their retreads in the ST? Yes, but I don't think it is all a retread.

So, agree to disagree at this point.
 
And then Lucas himself flip-flopped on that matter in the 1990s and told Tom Veitch that resurrecting the Emperor was fair game for "Dark Empire."

Kor
I honestly don't know what degree to which Lucas himself had any direct involvement or even consultation in any EU project, much less Dark Empire specifically. But from most of what I read his interest (outside of the artwork it may generate) could charitably described as "minimal." Plus I recall he rather specifically detested the very notion of Mara Jade, and yet he didn't order the character nixed. So Lucas being "OK" with a character or story in the EU, doesn't necessarily read that he'd be OK with it in HIS Star Wars.

So no "Dark Empire existed thus Frankenpalpatine is Lucas approved" is not really a valid argument.
 
I'm laughing at the Cult of Reylo pulling their collective hairs out because the novel flushed the idea of that smooch being romantic.

...and they cannot bitch about it now, since some of the same cult barked at others who complained about the handling other characters in the ST, pretty much telling critics to swallow it. Time for the Reylos to do the same.
 
It explains why he has less wrinkles on the face but just from a movie viewer point I think it would have made more sense for this to be the Palpatine from the Death Star because the body was so damaged and parts of it were gone. The connection I made was that his body was somehow retrieved. Making him a clone just opens up a lot of other questions such as why doesn't his soul move to another clone body? Why is this movie taking notes from an expanded universe that got ditched by disney?
 
It's kinda sad that ya have to have a book explain a whole litany of stuff that ur movie just glossed over... A few minutes of exposition ..
That and.. Paps has been there for 30 years? The rise and fall of the Empire took less time..

Owell.. I prefer him in a holocron version of the failed script
 
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So no "Dark Empire existed thus Frankenpalpatine is Lucas approved" is not really a valid argument.
I'm just pointing out that Lucas was involved with that story decision, not arguing anything here. In an interview, Tom Veitch said that Lucas himself suggested the idea :
Tom Veitch said:
Our original proposal was to bring back Darth Vader's costume and mask, with somebody else inside it. We felt the Empire would want to maintain the fearsome image of Vader and wouldn't much care who was wearing the armor and breathing mask. George vetoed that idea (although he did allow us to have Vader appear in dreams and memories). He said, no, you can't bring back the Vader costume...but if you can figure out how to bring back the Emperor, that's o.k.
The obvious way to bring back the Emperor was with cloning, which George immediately approved.
Source: http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2016/08/interview-with-dark-empire-writer-tom.html

Either way, "Lucas-approved" or "Lucas-disapproved" doesn't matter one little bit to me and adds absolutely no weight to anything, since plenty of his own ideas were absolute drivel. :shrug:

Kor
 
It explains why he has less wrinkles on the face but just from a movie viewer point I think it would have made more sense for this to be the Palpatine from the Death Star because the body was so damaged and parts of it were gone. The connection I made was that his body was somehow retrieved. Making him a clone just opens up a lot of other questions such as why doesn't his soul move to another clone body? Why is this movie taking notes from an expanded universe that got ditched by disney?
Why is Thrawn appearing post Disney? It's not like these ideas are completely invalidated to be utilized within the universe?

And honestly, the idea of Palpatine being a clone and jumping bodies makes sense to me. This is a universe where ghosts exists, people work to cheat death, and use space magic. I'm not even that familiar with EU lore (either Legends or Disney) and I can figure it out. I didn't think it was that hard.??? :shrug::shrug::shrug:

The moment I saw a Snoke in a vat I'm like "Cloning. Makes sense."
 
And honestly, the idea of Palpatine being a clone and jumping bodies makes sense to me. This is a universe where ghosts exists, people work to cheat death, and use space magic. I'm not even that familiar with EU lore (either Legends or Disney) and I can figure it out. I didn't think it was that hard.??? :shrug::shrug::shrug:
Being possible is one thing. Being a good idea...well that's something else. I mean it's possible to juggle three balls made of enriched uranium...for a while at least. Any takers?
 
Being possible is one thing. Being a good idea...well that's something else. I mean it's possible to juggle three balls made of enriched uranium...for a while at least. Any takers?
I think its a good idea. You don't.

If I had my druthers they only SW we would have is the OT. But, I don't get to make that decision so I will appreciate what we've got.
 
Bringing the Emperor back - as a clone or otherwise - was a stupid idea, surpassed in stupidity only by having Rey be the Emperor's granddaughter.
 
IGN has a run down of all or at least a lot of the new information in the book, and it sounds like almost everything people complained was to vague in the movie is explained in the book. I had originally planned on avoiding articles like that so the stuff would be a surprise in the book, but curiositygot the better of me and I did read it.
Something just dawned on me, since the movie had the flashback with Rey's parents, and Rey's father is a clone of Palpatine, that means we could have an actor for a younger Palpatine if they ever want to use the character in a movie or show set before The Phantom Menace.
 
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