I think Picard is like Batwoman, where simple minds see something filmed in dark locations or in the night time, and equate it with darkness. I saw comments about Discovery being "grimdark" for having a more realistic space colour palette that's no different to Lost In Space, yet that show isn't anything close to grimdark.
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Isn't the gore, puking, and the killing of lots of characters grimdark?
It's hardly The Walking Dead or Game of Thrones.
Nope.
Nah.
Nope. Nothing like 40K.
No it really isn't.
All the time in an episode? Maybe. Here and there? Not even close.
The gore was in one episode so far out of 7. Unless you want to count the skinned rabbit in 7, but there’s no blood and you don’t actually see it being skinned.
So far that’s less episodes than TNG DS9 and Voyager which all had gore in some way.
Also how is puking connected to grimdark?
So far that’s less episodes than TNG DS9 and Voyager which all had gore in some way.
Also how is puking connected to grimdark?
CAPTION: Winter 1988. 32 Years Earlier. Third Grade Classroom.
Lord Garth is feeling sick to his stomach.
The teacher has all the kids gather around.
They're all about to read a story.
Lord Garth starts to feel dizzy. Really dizzy.
And the bug inside his stomach keeps on getting worse and worse, and worse...
... until he finally throws up!
Definitely grimdark.
Lord Garth is feeling sick to his stomach.
The teacher has all the kids gather around.
They're all about to read a story.
Lord Garth starts to feel dizzy. Really dizzy.
And the bug inside his stomach keeps on getting worse and worse, and worse...
... until he finally throws up!
Definitely grimdark.
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Was it ever a utopia? I don't think so. Utopias don't participate in interstellar wars, do they
What utopia? In TOS and the TOS Movies human Starfleet officers routinely went mad and tried to destroy or conquer other planets or conspired with the enemy to subvert the democratic and legal processes of the Federation, disrupting chances for interstellar peace and tranquility. In the TNG Era humans routinely display paranoia, kill others without a claim of self-defense or due process or reluctantly condone murder and conspire to overthrow the elected leadership of the Federation and impose military rule on Earth.
Utopia in Trek didn't exist in 1966 and it didn't really exist in the 1990s. It sure doesn't exist now. Many fans imagine that the Kirk and Picard Eras are a utopia when they never were. They were just a hyperadvanced and more refined version of 20th and early 21st century humanity.
Utopia in Trek didn't exist in 1966 and it didn't really exist in the 1990s. It sure doesn't exist now. Many fans imagine that the Kirk and Picard Eras are a utopia when they never were. They were just a hyperadvanced and more refined version of 20th and early 21st century humanity.
11,000 died at the Battle of Wolf 359. Some 800 million were slaughtered on Cardassia in the closing days of the Dominion War. Star Trek has been killing lots and lots of people both complicit and innocent since "Where No Man Has Gone Before(TOS)."
Zefram Cochrane talks about having to take a leak in FC. Urination isn't usually considered a clean or pleasant topic of conversation in a family-friendly franchise. Was that tasteless?
Called it!
It was the dawn of the Third Age of Mankind...
Would you care for a wafer thin mint?
It probably was bitter and salty, due to the salts and chemicals being filtered by your kidneys
Heh!
I think some of us are looking for a different kind of escapism. The way I read some of the complaints, it sounds like what some folks liked about Trek wasn't just the garden-variety escapism of a show set in an optimistic 24th century, but that the human race as a whole had escaped from both history and human nature itself.
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