Spoilers Episode 7 "Nepenthe"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by NCC-73515, Feb 28, 2020.

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Rate 1x07 Nepenthe

  1. 10 - Wild Beard Riker

    109 vote(s)
    36.8%
  2. 9

    95 vote(s)
    32.1%
  3. 8

    53 vote(s)
    17.9%
  4. 7

    21 vote(s)
    7.1%
  5. 6

    7 vote(s)
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  6. 5 - Full Beard Riker

    2 vote(s)
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  7. 4

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  8. 3

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  9. 2

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  10. 1 - Season 1 Riker

    3 vote(s)
    1.0%
  1. Lakenheath 72

    Lakenheath 72 Commodore Commodore

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    Responding to an earlier question, it's bad when you don't have an investment in the characters and you just want the answers to these questions, especially if you have already come to the conclusion that any answers you get will be derivative and pedestrian. You don't want to spend another season with the show, being stringed along with bread crumbs to keep you interested on the path, hoping that the show will not end its run unexpectedly, leaving you with a rushed ending or a cliffhanger which you learn might be resolved in novels and comics, which might not be canon.
     
  2. jaime

    jaime Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Sorry, I had begun thinking in the vein of how Kirstens VOY books kind of stay in with just that one change, and forget to include that when I wrote up my thinking XD
     
  3. Doc Mugatu

    Doc Mugatu Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Another "10" from me. I enjoyed "Nepenthe" more the second time than the first (and I loved it the first time).

    Anyone else thinking or hoping Captain Crandell turns out to be Q?

    Saddened by the death of Hugh, and still feel it was a needless waste of potential.

    Of course it was great to see Will and Deanna again. Not body shaming (as I too am of the husky persuasion) however Frakes appeared HUGE on screen (and I mean Frankenstein's monster type HUGE).

    Thought it was brilliant how Chabon and the writers used the death of the Riker's son to illustrate and acknowledge how short sighted and wrong the ban on synth research was. It never added up but at least it was addressed.

    Soji's turmoil was both well scripted and acted. Again, her trauma causing her to holdback trusting. Did not love the Kestra character however she did serve the purpose needed so ultimately she was fine.

    Surprised at how quickly, almost eager, Rios was to flip on Raffi. Not saying it wasn't completely without merit however, in the scheme of things, it was Jurati who was acting more and more squirrely.
     
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  4. Sisko_is_my_captain

    Sisko_is_my_captain Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Frakes has always had a few inches on Stewart, and he is definitely not the skinny guy he was in Encounter at Farpoint, but I think a lot of the size difference in Nepenthe was due to camera angles and Picard shrinking a bit from old age.

    On another note, I'd like to acknowledge the sweet brotherly kiss that Picard and Riker exchanged. It is refreshing to see two hetero men not afraid to show affection in that way. I (a hetero male) still give my father and adult brother a peck, and I kiss my son (and intend to continue into his adulthood). I find it sad that a lot of men cannot show affection in that way.
     
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  5. Bad Thoughts

    Bad Thoughts Vice Admiral Admiral

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    To be fair, you could refer to Picard as a captain as commanding officer of a vessel, which could be done at any rank.

    That said, I don't know why Picard calling Riker "commander" needs any explanation. It could just be a production screw-up, not some in-universe slight.
     
  6. AlanC9

    AlanC9 Commodore Commodore

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    Might as well think of it as an in-universe error. Both types of error would come from the same source, right? Using the most often used term when addressing someone even though it is no longer correct.
     
  7. WarpFactorZ

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    I've seen several comments here that suggest Captain Crandall might be Q. What dialogue was said that made this a possibility?
     
  8. Doc Mugatu

    Doc Mugatu Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    According to Kestra he's been everywhere and knew immediately the location of the synth home world. Also a big dose of wishful thinking.
     
  9. BrotherBenny

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    Well aware of that, thank you. Never said they were. I just thought they were trying to keep things consistent.
     
  10. DaveyNY

    DaveyNY Admiral Admiral

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    They are only trying to keep things consistent with the books that actually deal with the PICARD time period.

    But there are a bunch of other things that They have borrowed (absconded with?) from many of the older Trek Novels both in this show and DISCOVERY.
    :techman:
     
  11. cooleddie74

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    Crandall isn't Q but could be a Starfleet Intelligence operative helping the Rikers and Picard because he suspects something is going on back on Earth.
     
  12. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk A Spock and a smile Premium Member

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    He's just a crazy old man.
     
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  13. Greg Cox

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    I think that only applies to any new books from now on. Nobody ever said they were going to try to be consistent with books from the pre-PICARD era.

    To be clear, this is how it has always worked with TV tie-in books, and not just STAR TREK. The books have to be consistent with the TV shows, but the TV shows are not obliged to be consistent with the books. The tail does not wag the dog.
     
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  14. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Obi-Wan Kenobi crossover confirmed!
     
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  15. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Soji's Data like head tilt wasn't a scripted part of the character, it was something Isa brought to the character. So the writers must have seen her do that in the earlier episode on the Cube and added that line about Riker noticing it to this episode's script.

    I don't remember where I saw that now, it was either Chabon's instagram or 'Ready Room'.
     
  16. Noname Given

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    Since when are Star Trek novels considered Canon?

    I think she knew someone else was there because there's no way Hugh or Picard would have been able to dispatch so many Romulan guards; not to mention the manner in which these guards were dispatched.
     
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  17. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Nope.

    The current Novel'verse will probably end soon.
     
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  18. 11Alive

    11Alive Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Quite possibly the best episode yet, although almost completely because of the scenes on Nepenthe rather than on the Artifact or the ship. Great character interplay and development between Picard, Riker and Troi, which is something that was rather absent in previous episodes. Even with Seven, who didn't really seem like she was fleshed out in her episode. Sirtis and Frakes really seem like they've grown into the characters even more than when TNG was on the air or in the TNG movies. No more commander and crew. It was old friends getting together, comfortably enjoying each others' company. In fact, I would say this episode is easily better than any episode of The Mandalorian, hands down, and more enjoyable than virtually every TNG episode.
     
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  19. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Admiral Premium Member

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    As simple a thing as a head tilt is, it was absolutely, perfectly Data-like.
     
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  20. Gibraltar

    Gibraltar Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Remember that we're dealing with a man who is suffering the early stages of an Alzheimer's-like neural disease. His outburst against Starfleet during his media interview was an example of Picard becoming increasingly unable to control his emotions. I interpreted his unnecessary sarcasm towards Soji as another 'slip' of his famed mental and emotional discipline.
     
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