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Star Trek Picard is not Star Trek

From the 56 year old STAR TREK fan who been watching first run STAR TREK episodes since 1969 (I was 6 and started with TOS S3 - "Elaan Of Troyius" I would say, maybe you should take your own advice and dig a little harder yourself to see that your 'familiarity' isn't as accurate as what you may believe.

Okay, I just did a quick search of "star trek's optimistic future" and pulled this from one of the first articles:
"The optimism of the Star Trek universe was part of its appeal. Humanity was headed out to the stars not to conquer and exploit, but to explore and to make friends. Its introduction became famous.

“Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds. To seek out new life and new civilizations. To boldly go where no man has gone before!”

In Star Trek, the Next Generation, the replicators satisfied material needs, so the series could concentrate on the character development of the main players. Humankind had apparently broken free of superstition (including, apparently, religion, which was remarkable for a show written principally for a US audience). Racism and nationalism had been superseded by an affinity with all life-forms. Conflicts, potential and actual, were resolved for the most part by peaceful diplomacy, though there was the occasional steel behind the apple pie - “Let’s speak to them in a language everybody understands. Arm photon torpedoes!”

The series pictured a better future that people yearned for, one in which people would no longer strive for material gain, but for honour, and one characterized by constant outward reaching to learn new things. The final frontier calls to mind Frederick Jackson Turner’s 1893 Frontier in American History thesis. In Star Trek it is the space frontier that shapes humanity’s values."

Here's a link to the article if you care to read it:
https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/to-boldly-go-into-an-optimistic-future

I'm not going to belabor the point, but Star Trek's optimistic vision of the future and the fan's love for that vision is very well documented. As an older fan I'm surprised you're not aware of this.
 
modern Star Trek presents a dystopian future
I don't know about you, but I'd hardly call a setting dystopian when it features most people's basic needs effortlessly covered by replicators, most diseases and injuries that are lethal today being easily cured, people being able to travel to any point of the world with transporters or to even visit other stars, not to mention human beings no longer discriminating against each other based on race, religion, gender or sexual orientation.
Whenever paradise was described in old Trek, it was Earth being called one. But Star Trek never shied away from showing that there were still a lot of unsolved problems on the frontier; that was the reason the Enterprise went there most of the time in the first place, to assist them because they were outside the central government's reach. Sure, we're seeing stories about people who have serious personal problems. But does that mean it's suddenly a crapsack universe now? Dahj and Soji seemed to live quite happy lives before being dragged into the Romulan plot, Laris and Zhaban seem to have a quite pleasant life for refugee ex-Tal Shiar operatives and the Rikers seem to live in the epitome of rustic pastoral idyll even if they had lost their son.

humanity had evolved past many of its current issues like racism
Insert list of McCoy, Stiles et al spouting various casually racist remarks at Spock or 24th century Starfleet officers calling Cardassians spoon heads as well as O'Brien saying "the bloody cardies can't be trusted" numerous times. Not to mention his former captain who went renegade and tried to reignite the Federation-Cardassian war for the exact same reason.
Cyrano Jones, Harry Mudd, and all the Human members of the Orion Syndicate in Deep Space Nine
the need for revenge
"And I will make them pay for what they've done." - Jean-Luc Picard, First Contact
Not to mention Commodore Decker and Dr. Marr
 
To respond to your question, modern Star Trek presents a dystopian future, whereas the original Star Trek presented a utopian future. That's probably the broadest basis for calling it an antithesis.

This is a huge canard. Picard is slightly "darker" than TNG--nowhere nearly as dark as DS9--and dystopian is not equatable with dark. There appears to be corruption and xenophobia, but society works. This isn't Brazil or Kafka, certainly nowhere near 1984. There is simply no evidence for this claim. NEXT!

Another reason is that in the original franchise, humanity had evolved past many of its current issues like racism, greed, the need for revenge, among other negative traits.

The issues listed here were still present in TOS. Indeed, racism appears prominently in one of the most beloved episodes, "The Balance of Terror." NEXT!

There are other reasons why I feel that modern Trek is an antithesis, but instead of spending a lot of time rehashing points that others have already made, I'd direct you to the multitude of youtube reviews that have covered the same ground.
The YouTube creators whom you are likely to refer to--Nerdrotic, Overlord DVD, Geeks and Gamers, MechaRandom, Midnight's Edge, and their followers--are easy to debunk. They distort and they nitpick. They have barely concealed racism and misogyny. I have posted several times in this very thread critiquing Gary Buechler in this very thread. Start here. I anticipate that any video that is posted on this forum will be met with mass ridicule. NEXT!

I appreciate your point about how a society struggles to maintain its values, and the heroes that arise to restore those values, but from what I've seen of the producers of this series, I'm afraid you might be giving them too much credit. I do hope that they show how things are restored, but again, I think that's giving them too much credit. I hope they prove me wrong!
Are you sure? In the last episode, Troi lays out basically what Picard's journey is.
 
I think I got my thought across
You got someone's thoughts across. Are you sure that you didn't borrow them from YouTube?

Come on, if you've ever watched Star Trek then you should know exactly what I mean. It's not like it was explicit. Just how human society "evolved past" its lesser qualities is never really spelled out, but I'd bet it has something to do with a little television show called Star Trek. ;)
Tell us. Talk about episodes rather than make references to vague concepts.
 
If you're interested I'd recommend researching the matter, you might be surprised by what you find.
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Okay, I just did a quick search of "star trek's optimistic future" and pulled this from one of the first articles:
"The optimism of the Star Trek universe was part of its appeal. Humanity was headed out to the stars not to conquer and exploit, but to explore and to make friends. Its introduction became famous.

“Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds. To seek out new life and new civilizations. To boldly go where no man has gone before!”

In Star Trek, the Next Generation, the replicators satisfied material needs, so the series could concentrate on the character development of the main players. Humankind had apparently broken free of superstition (including, apparently, religion, which was remarkable for a show written principally for a US audience). Racism and nationalism had been superseded by an affinity with all life-forms. Conflicts, potential and actual, were resolved for the most part by peaceful diplomacy, though there was the occasional steel behind the apple pie - “Let’s speak to them in a language everybody understands. Arm photon torpedoes!”

The series pictured a better future that people yearned for, one in which people would no longer strive for material gain, but for honour, and one characterized by constant outward reaching to learn new things. The final frontier calls to mind Frederick Jackson Turner’s 1893 Frontier in American History thesis. In Star Trek it is the space frontier that shapes humanity’s values."

Here's a link to the article if you care to read it:
https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/to-boldly-go-into-an-optimistic-future

I'm not going to belabor the point, but Star Trek's optimistic vision of the future and the fan's love for that vision is very well documented. As an older fan I'm surprised you're not aware of this.
As an older fan, I'm VERY aware (as are many older fans) of how GR was a carnival barker concerned more wwith money and getting young actresses on the couch in the TOS days, and how TNG fans bought the spiel about his "Vision™" when OLD TOS fans know his vision for STAR TREK was:

A) $$ in his pocket (IE - "What's MY take...")
and
B) (.)(.) on a Casting Couch as often as he could manage it.

The 'cult' of Roddenberry was pretty much TNG fans who bought his stories about how 'forward thinking' his vision of Star Trek was from day one.

Now here's the thuing: Are their fans who enjoyed his optimistic take on the future across all Star Trek fandom? Yep.

Is that the primary reason most watch? Honestly, I'd say: "No."

Star trek is A LOT of things to a lot of fans. If youy ask 100 fans what "Star Trek is..."; you'll get 110 different answers.

Also, just because Picard is dealing with a situation where Star Fleet and the Federation are seen as "Looking out for themselves..." <--- That doesn't mean that the Federation is any less an 'optimistic' portrayal of man's future. If maintaining that level of society was simple/easy - they wouldn't NEED a Star Fleet, nor with it's officers need to sacrifice themselves for the protection of The Federation. The occasional glimpse of the 'dirty underbelly' of the Federation and Star Fleet in particular has often been a story point in MANY a Star Trek episode for TOS <---> STP.

Also, contrary to what you might think - Star trek has never been a philosophy. It's primary focus (even in the sanctimonious TNG years) has been primarily to ENTERTAIN. <---- Trek is IMO AT IT'S WORST when it fails to do that and gets overly preachy (which again, it has done occasionally starting even in the TOS days).
 
How doth the little Enterprise
Engage her transwarp drive,
And speed past warbirds twice her size
Their evil plans denied!
 
Rihanna encountering Enterprise in the Kelvinverse was on screen in the video Sledgehammer (for Beyond) therefore it is canon :)
 
Now here's the thing: Are their fans who enjoyed his optimistic take on the future across all Star Trek fandom? Yep.

Noname, thanks for your response. The above quote was pretty much covers what was trying to convey. I agree with most everything else you said. Roddenberry was a complex man with great ideas and even greater flaws. But I suspect had Star Trek's optimism been absent we'd probably not be discussing the series right now. Live long and prosper.
 
Too many people here have confused philosophy with entertainment. I'm going to quote a passage from Harve Bennett in Star Trek Movie Memories. Yeah, me again. Quoting the people who made Star Trek, past and present. Because I'm just one poster. Them, they're the people who actually made what we're arguing about.

Some context before I get into the quote. After Star Trek: The Motion Picture, control of the feature films was taken away from Gene Roddenberry and given to Harve Bennett. Harve Bennett then watched all 79 episodes of Star Trek before diving into making what would become Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. But Harve Bennett and Gene Roddenberry didn't see eye-to-eye on the philosophy of Star Trek.

Star Trek Movie Memories (1994), by William Shatner with Chris Kreski.
Interview with Harve Bennett (pages 108-110)

[Gene] resisted everything, every suggestion, every idea. I would see Gene every once in a while in the commissary or in the parking lot, and we'd wave to one another and be polite, but that was it. All of our actual business, at Gene's request, was conducted by memo.

Now, I'm a hands-on person, I like to sit in a room, belt it out, get it done, then see where people are having problems and find solutions. You simply can't do that by memo. For example, every story pass, every scripted draft, every thought that sprang from a writer's head and made it onto a sheet of paper, our thoughts, our stories and ultimately our scripts would go simultaneously to Gene and to Paramount management. And management would generally respond with notes of enthusiasm, "Keep going, it's lookin' great," stuff like that. However, Gene's notes would be... it's hard to characterize. Defensive, I think, would be a very good word. "This will ruin Star Trek, kind of stuff. I saved a lot of them, but I don't ever want to make them public because they're painful.

But I was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Gene had been asked to leave center stage and let someone else take over. It wasn't easy for him, and he quickly became very possessive with his child, Star Trek. I understood that, and I must confess to similar parental feelings when I produced The Mod Squad and when I did The Six Million Dollar Man and all those things. As a producer, you just don't want to step aside, to give it up to anybody else.

What I couldn't understand was Gene's concept of Star Trek. I was fresh from seeing seventy-nine episodes, and I thought I knew what Star Trek was in its original form, but when Gene's memos started arriving, they criticized everything we were doing on a basis that was from outer space to me. "Star Trek," he said, "is not a paramilitary show." That's not true. "Star Trek," in his words from the sixties, "is Horatio Hornblower." That's a paramilitary show to me. The analogy between the United States Navy or any navy and Star Trek is so preeminent that you can't possibly miss it. I mean, why then are we dealing with "admirals" and "captains," "commanders," "lieutenants," and so forth? The Enterprise is simply a naval vessel in at sea, in space."

"There was never", he said, "violence and conflict in the twenty-third century." Well, how do you deal with that when you are fresh from seeing the episodes where there was a great deal of violence? There were traditional roustabout fights; there were barroom brawls; there was nerve-pinching; there was exotic weaponry. There were always people doing bad things to people, very bad things to people.

And suddenly I saw the seeds of what had bored me in Star Trek: The Motion Picture. It seemed as though Gene, in his statesmanlike personal growth, had now begun confusing his own idealism -- which was wonderful -- about a peaceful future and man's ability to grow in the years ahead -- with Star Trek. In my mind, Star Trek's vision was very different and very specific. Things will change, parameters will change, technology will change, but human nature will most definitely remain the same. Why do I say that? Because recorded history tells us so.

Go back two hundred years to the seventeen hundreds, what has changed? What has changed since "let my people go" in Egypt and before that, from the recorded history of humankind? Will four hundred years of technology elevate that into bliss and karma? I think not, but somehow Gene had made that assumption in his later years. Or at least that was the basis of all his objections to the things we were trying to do.

Now I could assume one of two things, that Gene had become devoutly sincere about all this and it had altered his vision of what he himself had done on Star Trek, or the other possibility was that perhaps unconsciously he resented anyone, not just Harve Bennett, coming in, taking over and trying to replicate something that he'd created. If that were the case, and he simply couldn't accept the situation, perhaps he was reaching for any ammunition he could find in resisting my efforts. Perhaps that's what prompted his philosophical stance against everything we were trying to do in re-creating the feeling of his Star Trek.

End of quote.

Like Harve Bennett, I think that some people are against the efforts of anyone, Alex Kurtzman or not, producing any further Star Trek that's not exactly made the way they think it should be. I think they, like Gene Roddenberry in his later years, have become insistent that Star Trek must adhere to a perfect humanity and that any deviation must be shunned. If anyone acts as a Human of 2020 -- or a Human of 1820 for that matter -- then it can't be Star Trek and is not Star Trek.

They've confused a philosophy with a TV show. The entire point of Star Trek: Picard is about a man facing mistakes in his life that have caught up to him. You can't have mistakes in a perfect society. The Star Trek: Picard that these people want is a Star Trek: Picard where everything was "happily ever after" (except Data being dead). But that's not a story. That's the end of a story. "And they lived happily ever after." No one tells you about that part because no one is interested in that part. It's not going to keep an audience engaged. There's no reason to know what happens next in "happily ever after" because there is no next. That's it. Some people may be ready for it to be it, but I'm not. Neither are a lot of other people here.

We want to see the story continue. And a continuation means a plot. A drama. The root of which, like it or not, is conflict, stakes, danger, and a goal. Decisions to be made. Risks to take. If you're not invested, no one's forcing you to watch. No one's holding a gun to your head and saying you have to watch this. But a lot of us do want to watch this.

I like where Picard is going. I like it because it's taking the character further in his life. That's what makes Picard akin to the TOS Movies, my favorite version of Star Trek, and why I like it so much. Why I liked it more than I expected.
 
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