Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[Lord Garth]

Some more Chabon Q&A

http://blog.trekcore.com/2020/03/michael-chabon-star-trek-picard-fan-questions/

A lot of what set up the "darker times" in Picard was already in place before PIC even came into the picture. The destruction of Romulus? Already set up in the 2009 Film. The darker Federation? DS9 already laid down the groundwork. Picard feeling melancholy about time passing? We saw that in both Generations and Nemesis.

The Federation "enslaving" AIs was already there in the form of the EMH Mark 1s working in mines toward the end of Voyager. PIC just applied the same thing to Synths through flashbacks. Picard was worried about creating a race of "disposable people", which those Synths seemed to be. And Data always wanted to be more Human, so Dahj and Soji actually are more Human.

I think PIC took what was already there, picked up with it, and continued further with it. Including by showing what the aftermath would be like. The way it's pushed, the story all makes perfect sense, when you extrapolate where it could've gone.

 

[NCC-73515]

The PIC people really took care of their show and its connections to the Trek universe

 

[cooleddie74]

PIC has the most direct and subtle connections to Trek lore of any Trek incarnation since ENT.

 

[Tim Thomason]

PIC has the most direct and subtle connections to Trek lore of any Trek incarnation since ENT.

Of course. Because it's a sequel to TNG.

That said, Picard's are a little more subtle and natural as a follow-up to the Berman era, whereas Discovery (which may actually have more overall by proportion) are like a sledgehammer and are included by those after searching the wikis.

 

[fireproof78]

To my mind, the only sledgehammer is to preconceived notions held by fandom for 50 years.

 

[Tim Thomason]

To my mind, the only sledgehammer is to preconceived notions held by fandom for 50 years.

I don't mean in a destructive way (although it's a poor metaphor), but in an over-the-top way. Using Star Charts for star charts (and not noticing a half dozen continuity errors), copying the list of Enterprise captains for their list of most decorated captains, going to Memory Alpha's awards category and pinning those on Christopher Pike, who has now been awarded the Legate's Crest of Valor by the Cardassian Union.

Picard doesn't seem to have had this problem over the course of seven episodes. I think more thought and care has gone over the continuity references by the Star Trek Office, which is a good thing going forward into Discovery Season 3 and Lower Decks.

 

[Noname Given]

Picard doesn't seem to have had this problem over the course of seven episodes. I think more thought and care has gone over the continuity references by the Star Trek Office, which is a good thing going forward into Discovery Season 3 and Lower Decks.

Well, the fact the MAJORITY of the story elements are focused on Post-Nemesis events helps that aspect of STP. The farthest back they really tread into TNG TV lore BoBW and Picards assimilation and restoration and Hugh - who BTW was NEVER shown as 'reclaimed' in TNG S6 - "Descent", and also wasn't really happy with Picard and Co. as he caused Hugh's Cube to become disconnected from the Collective and allowed Lore to come in and take control. At the end, all Hugh said was that they can't rejoin the Collective; but again, there was ZERO discussion by anyone in TNG S6 - "Descent" about reclaiming/restoring any of the Borg associated with Hugh <--- So there's one element they didn't really go into that doesn't mesh well with TNG continuity. but no one seems to call that out.

 

[JD]

The show will probably just end at that point. The series is about Picard.

Nope. This isn't Voq/Tyler mystery that someone solved with a lot of circumstantial but damning evidence. This is just someone's fan-fiction with no backup evidence at all.

Yeah, I don't see this happening either. This is supposed to be a multi-season series, so there is no way they're going to just go through and magically resolve everyone's issue all at once like that.
It really strikes as someone who doesn't like the fact that these characters are all damaged unhappy people, and just wants to make them all the stereotype of the happy, perfect TNG characters.

 

[NCC-73515]

At the end, all Hugh said was that they can't rejoin the Collective; but again, there was ZERO discussion by anyone in TNG S6 - "Descent" about reclaiming/restoring any of the Borg associated with Hugh <--- So there's one element they didn't really go into that doesn't mesh well with TNG continuity. but no one seems to call that out.

Because everyone understands that people can have previously unmentioned ideas and desires (like removing their implants) in the decades following an episode

Star Trek Office.

That should be a new show!

 

[Llywela]

Well, the fact the MAJORITY of the story elements are focused on Post-Nemesis events helps that aspect of STP. The farthest back they really tread into TNG TV lore BoBW and Picards assimilation and restoration and Hugh - who BTW was NEVER shown as 'reclaimed' in TNG S6 - "Descent", and also wasn't really happy with Picard and Co. as he caused Hugh's Cube to become disconnected from the Collective and allowed Lore to come in and take control. At the end, all Hugh said was that they can't rejoin the Collective; but again, there was ZERO discussion by anyone in TNG S6 - "Descent" about reclaiming/restoring any of the Borg associated with Hugh <--- So there's one element they didn't really go into that doesn't mesh well with TNG continuity. but no one seems to call that out.

That isn't a breach of continuity. It is a development. In Descent, Hugh and his fellow Borg were newly separated from the Collective, just beginning to understand what that freedom meant. But that was almost 30 years ago. It isn't hard to figure out from context that they have moved forward since then - and have come a long way. The show has shown that development, instead of telling it.

 

[cooleddie74]

I just had an...interesting thought about a future episode of PIC. I'm not even sure how I think about it and may end up ditching the concept and pretending I never came up with it to begin with, but follow me here:

We never got to meet "Prime Universe" Gabriel Lorca in DSC and may never get the chance. His disappearance from existence yet a demise that has never been confirmed in canon as a definite death left a hole that I had hoped would have been filled at some point after the Mirror Universe arc in the series ended and our heroes returned to their own reality. What if Prime Lorca was somehow trapped in an anomaly that would be discovered by Picard and the crew of the La Sirena at some point?

Detecting a Terran life form inside the anomaly, Rios and Raffi transport Jason Isaacs aboard the ship where he is subjected to a complete genetic scan by the EMH. Records indicate that he is Captain Gabriel Lorca of the mid-23rd century starship Buran(the only entry that can now be on record since the Discovery and all of her adventures are now classified and wiped from public or even easily-accessible records) and has been missing and presumed lost in the line of duty for nearly 150 years. Reviving Lorca he spins a tale of being ambushed and switched with a lookalike before losing all consciousness and memories, leaving him with an officially unsolved number of mysteries not to mention a life that's now a century and a half out of date. He seeks answers but realizes he won't be getting them...at least not anytime in the foreseeable future.

But we'd get Jason Isaacs back into Trek, and as the good Lorca who wasn't an MU interloper hellbent on using our people to change the destiny of his Terran Empire. Aaaaand I regret having mentioned any of this...

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Nah. Prime Lorca is really only meaningful to DSC. If we're ever going to see him, it should be on DSC.

 

[cooleddie74]

It's one of those ideas like a Scooby Doo-style submarine sandwich that compresses like an accordion so you can eat the whole thing in one bite. It both defies the laws of nature and is impractical...but for a brief, shining moment I liked it.

 

[DaveyNY]

It's one of those ideas like a Scooby Doo-style submarine sandwich that compresses like an accordion so you can eat the whole thing in one bite. It both defies the laws of nature and is impractical...but for a brief, shining moment I liked it.

No reason why it can't be adjusted a little bit to fit in with season 3 of DISCOVERY.
Just have the anomaly bring Lorca to the 32nd century and have Burnham find him.

I'd love to see her reaction, especially not knowing that it's the Original Lorca.
She'd probably assume that it is the MU Lorca, somehow transported in time from before she saw him go out in a burst of flame.

 

[NCC-73515]

They should find Mirror Kirk, played by Shatner, who was sent to the far future of the prime universe by the Tantalus device. (That was the concept for IAMD had Shatner done it)

 

[cooleddie74]

No reason why it can't be adjusted a little bit to fit in with season 3 of DISCOVERY.
Just have the anomaly bring Lorca to the 32nd century and have Burnham find him.

I'd love to see her reaction, especially not knowing that it's the Original Lorca.
She'd probably assume that it is the MU Lorca, somehow transported in time from before she saw him go out in a burst of flame.

MICHAEL: "No...I SAW YOU DIE."
LORCA: "I'm not even going to ask. Can somebody just tell me where the Hell I am...why Starfleet officers are dressed like that...and why there's an Andorian standing over there with a circular hand cannon?"

 

[NCC-73515]

circular hand cannon

a PINK one! XD

 

[Noname Given]

I just had an...interesting thought about a future episode of PIC. I'm not even sure how I think about it and may end up ditching the concept and pretending I never came up with it to begin with, but follow me here:

We never got to meet "Prime Universe" Gabriel Lorca in DSC and may never get the chance. His disappearance from existence yet a demise that has never been confirmed in canon as a definite death left a hole that I had hoped would have been filled at some point after the Mirror Universe arc in the series ended and our heroes returned to their own reality. What if Prime Lorca was somehow trapped in an anomaly that would be discovered by Picard and the crew of the La Sirena at some point?

Detecting a Terran life form inside the anomaly, Rios and Raffi transport Jason Isaacs aboard the ship where he is subjected to a complete genetic scan by the EMH. Records indicate that he is Captain Gabriel Lorca of the mid-23rd century starship Buran(the only entry that can now be on record since the Discovery and all of her adventures are now classified and wiped from public or even easily-accessible records) and has been missing and presumed lost in the line of duty for nearly 150 years. Reviving Lorca he spins a tale of being ambushed and switched with a lookalike before losing all consciousness and memories, leaving him with an officially unsolved number of mysteries not to mention a life that's now a century and a half out of date. He seeks answers but realizes he won't be getting them...at least not anytime in the foreseeable future.

But we'd get Jason Isaacs back into Trek, and as the good Lorca who wasn't an MU interloper hellbent on using our people to change the destiny of his Terran Empire. Aaaaand I regret having mentioned any of this...

Hell, just have Picard and Co. encounter "The Nexus" again, and somehow (like left socks); Lorca ended up in there.

 

[cooleddie74]

JASON ISAACS MUST RETURN.

Even if in a Short Trek.

 

[JD]

They should find Mirror Kirk, played by Shatner, who was sent to the far future of the prime universe by the Tantalus device. (That was the concept for IAMD had Shatner done it)

Shatner just said that other day that he has no interesting in playing James Kirk again. But I have a feeling Patrick Stewart probably would have said the same thing before Picard.