Seven of Nine was Trek's answer to Xena (complicated character with a dark past, used to be evil).
Star Trek Picard is not Star Trek
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Seven of Nine was Trek's answer to Xena (complicated character with a dark past, used to be evil).
TOS S1 - "The Corbomite Maneuver" barrows elements from "The Bedford Incident" ("Lt. Bailey" is very much in the exact pattern of the "Ensign Ralston" character from that film.)
TOS S2 - "The Doomsday Machine" barrows heavily from "Moby Dick" - Hell, they could have named "Matt Decker", "Matt Ahab" instead if they really wanted to hit viewers over the head.
With some Caine Mutiny....but computer file-hard-floppies-whatever those are that Decker plays around with.
and now she also had a homosexual relationship
Like Xena, she's bisexual.
I wish that like Xena, Seven takes up a young protege/lover to be her sidekick
Elnor may be playing that role (wherever he goes, big, bad Seven is usually not far behind).
Like Gabrielle, he's headstrong.
The similarities between BR/BR2049 and PIC go beyond just featuring synthetic characters.
SPOILERS
Blade Runner (1982)
Opening Text:
Early in the 21st Century, THE TYRELL
CORPORATIONadvanced Robot evolution
into the NEXUS phase - a being virtually
identical to a human - known as a Replicant.
The NEXUS 6 Replicant were superior
in strength and agility, and at least equal
in intelligence, to the genetic engineers
who created them.
Replicants were used Off-world as
slave labor, in the hazardous exploration and
colonization of other planets.
>In PIC we're introduced to concept of synthetic life forms being mass produced and used for labor in the federation.
After a bloody mutiny by a NEXUS 6
combat team in an Off-world colony,
Replicants were declared illegal
on earth - under penalty of death.
>Very similar to the synths going rogue in PIC and attacking the Starfleet facilities in and around Mars which caused thousands of deaths and resulted in the Federation declaring a ban on synthetic life forms.
In the film we see Deckard reveal to Rachel that she's a replicant, she denies it by countering that she has memories, and reveals to him one in particular from her childhood. He tells her that it's a false memory, it's not real.
>There's a similar scene in the first episode of PIC where Picard reveals the truth to Dahj that she's a synthetic being, she denies it by saying she has memories of an entire life time, and reveals to him how her father told her how he named her. Picard tells her that as beautiful a memory as it is, it's not real.
In Blade Runner 2049 we're introduced to "K" who is a replicant with superhuman combat abilities but eventually comes to believe that he's actually the child of a replicant AND a human, making him unique and the first of his kind.
>In PIC Dahj is a new type of android, who has superhuman combat abilities and is actually comprised of human-like physiology making her unique and the first of her kind.
Later on in Blader Runner 2049 we find out that it's the young woman that works in the field of artificial intelligence who is actually the daughter of a replicant and human.
>In PIC Dahj/Soji are both young women working in the field of artificial intelligence/working with cyborgs, who turn out to be the more human-like daughters of an android.
In Blade Runner 2049 there is a group of replicants hiding out from society in the hopes that one day they will be freed by their savior, who is the first human/replicant hybrid of its kind.
>In PIC there is apparently a group of synthetics, who are hiding out from society, and Dahj/Soji being the first of their kind seems to be the key to their survival.
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PIC is arguably more Trek than anything in the franchise since ENT and I don't see many people in here slamming the Kelvin Timeline movies the way some did years ago. We've clearly come to accept all Trek as Trek even if we don't like certain parts of it.
Have we evolved ?
"Star Trek: Picard is not Star Trek"
You might want to take a closer look at General Chang. He has ridges. Top. sides and back
Or is there someone else you think is a "smooth head"
Like what? Didn't they do the scream thing?
Did it?
Relevant dialog
Nothing about it being unusual just that it has no place on the bridge. There are other examples in the form of the species based "ribbing" between McCoy and Spock and T'Pau's subtle disdain for Spock's human friends.Balance of Terror said:
I understand that "Starship" was used differently in TOS.
I guess you haven't read Bob Justman's memo regarding the error and his insistence that the arrowhead is the only "badge" for the fleet. The same memo refers to the freighter Antares as a starship.
These non-Enterprise ship based personnel sport the arrowhead.
As does this starbase crew woman
They're called credits
Catspaw said:
The Trouble With Tribbles said:
That reminds me of the old Filmation logo. Even more proof that TAS is now canon!
Apparently everyone. Which is a shame, since American Gothic was awesome!
I think it's pretty clear that, at least in the TOS era, the Federation uses money within itself, if not routinely, then in conjunction with the operation of Starfleet. Here are two more examples.
From "Errand of Mercy" [http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/27.htm]:
KIRK: The Federation has invested a great deal of money in our training. They're about due for a small return. We have two hours with which to do it in.
From "The Apple" [http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/38.htm]:
KIRK: Trying to get yourself killed. Do you know how much Starfleet has invested in you?
SPOCK: One hundred twenty two thousand two hundred
KIRK: Never mind. But thanks. Kaplan, take the post.
SPOCK: One hundred twenty two thousand two hundred
KIRK: Never mind. But thanks. Kaplan, take the post.
At the end someone tells Picard that one of the alien ambassadors they were carrying was killed and prepared for food by the enemy ambassadors they were feuding with.
There's comedy background music, Picard smirks that he needs a rest, and for Riker to take over. And everyone smiles because it's funny. Cue closing credits. That was meant to be a serious episode?
CBS All Access had to get away from that.
That DS9 fight scene was one best scenes in the entire franchise.
Star Trek 2009 - Starship Troopers
DS9 The Valiant - copied the "destroy the Death Star plot from Star Wars
DS9 Seige of Ar 558 - Saving Private Ryan
Voyager - tried to do the mirror universe thing without a mirror universe.
Picard appears to have some elements of Game Of thrones with things like Bro/Sis incest angle and the shock anyone can be killed thing. It could just be a coincidence.
Spielberg's A.I has some small similarities too, but that one is set in a very dystopian future.
From the end of That Which Survives
KIRK: The computer was too perfect. It projected so much of Losira's personality into the replica that it felt regret, guilt, at killing. That bought us the time we needed to destroy it. She must have been a remarkable woman.
MCCOY: And beautiful.
(And what should have followed)
Spock: Where is D'Amato?
Kirk: Oh he's dead.
Spock: Ahh...that reminds me. I quite forgot in all this waxing over the beauty of a long dead woman....we have two dead on the Enterprise as well.
Kirk: Oh. ...Welp!! Five to beam up!!
KIRK: The computer was too perfect. It projected so much of Losira's personality into the replica that it felt regret, guilt, at killing. That bought us the time we needed to destroy it. She must have been a remarkable woman.
MCCOY: And beautiful.
(And what should have followed)
Spock: Where is D'Amato?
Kirk: Oh he's dead.
Spock: Ahh...that reminds me. I quite forgot in all this waxing over the beauty of a long dead woman....we have two dead on the Enterprise as well.
Kirk: Oh. ...Welp!! Five to beam up!!
Or the 1958 film The Defiant Ones, in which Sidney Poitier and Tony Curtis were two very different fugitives shackled together who must grudgingly cooperate with each other due to their circumstance.
Like I said, if Chang had hair you would see no ridges. Those ridges would be under the hairstyles of TOS Klingons.You might want to take a closer look at General Chang. He has ridges. Top. sides and back
Or is there someone else you think is a "smooth head"
Like what? Didn't they do the scream thing?
Did it?
Relevant dialog
Nothing about it being unusual just that it has no place on the bridge. There are other examples in the form of the species based "ribbing" between McCoy and Spock and T'Pau's subtle disdain for Spock's human friends.
I understand that "Starship" was used differently in TOS.
I guess you haven't read Bob Justman's memo regarding the error and his insistence that the arrowhead is the only "badge" for the fleet. The same memo refers to the freighter Antares as a starship.
These non-Enterprise ship based personnel sport the arrowhead.
As does this starbase crew woman
They're called credits
And yes I read Justman's memo and and you seem to be quoting from the CBS article that circulated it rather than the memo itself. He was very specific that the Starships (the Constitution Class as it is now known) were the only ones to have the arrow insignia. Outside those couple of uses, everyone we see that we know works for the fleet and not stationed on a ship wears the flower emblem (regardless of rank). That young woman in the last image is likely regularly assigned to a Starship that is in for service and is either on temporary assignment or there for some other purpose. In reality those images from Court Martial were just recycled Enterprise crew uniforms and not a deliberate show of what emblem the production team intended them to wear. We actually never see another ship crew member in any other episodes sporting the arrow. And we only see Decker, Tracey, and Tracey's CMO sporting a different emblem in TOS.
The Antares crew was cited in Justman's memo to cement that the arrow was only for the elite 12 (or so) Starships. But the belief that each ship should have it's own emblem was born out when Enterprise gave the Defiant its own emblem and basically cemented that idea that Decker and Tracey's emblems were not mistakes. Canon is not based on the intent of the producers, but by what ended up on screen. So this conversation is based on 4 episodes, three of which support multiple ship emblems for Constitution Class ships and one episode that shows the arrow on other ships. The converstion wasn't ended by Justman's memo. It was only circulated to support the use of it as the fleet wide emblem in Discovery (which the memo actually does not support and which isn't canon by TOS, TAS, TMP, or ENT). The TOS Starfleet wide emblem is the other one that we see on the side of the TOS Enterprise and on the wall behind so many flag officers. And the flag officers and midshipmen wear flower insignias and not the arrow. Yet another way that Discovery has tried to rewrite canon.
There are several possible explanations that can make the three TOS episodes and the one ENT episode agree. But the one suggested by the Discovery producers is not one of them and is not supported by anything made prior to 1982's TWOK when the arrow did become fleet wide and at all levels and on all ships. Prior to that, every non-starship character in a standard uniform wears a flower emblem and there are 3 TOS starship emblems and one from ENT and one from TAS. This continued through the Epsilon 9 crew in TMP.
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