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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x05 - "Stardust City Rag"

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They could be Skrull.
Heh.

In which case, Disney-Marvel and CBS-Viacom will have pulled off the crossover coup of the year. Keeping wraps on such a thing until the time of their choosing for the unveiling? Priceless.

(No, I don't think that's happened here. But I'll be pleasantly surprised if it has.)
 
Doesn't mean a hotel won't provide basic cable TV for guests who get bored of oomox from Deltans. Also people gotta get regular news from other AQ powers. Klingon news is probably a big deal.
I'm thinking that what the TV's on Freecloud are displaying, are more than likely all Porn related.
 
Compared to the final TNG film Star Trek: Nemesis; Star Trek Beyond (the worst perfoming JJ Trek film was a BLOCKBUSTER at the Box Office. It didn't get beat out by a second tier Rom Com film with a mediocre pop star on opening weekend. The TOS reboot films overall were VERY successful in comparison to the TNG films, and to think they were somehow 'forgotten' over a Trek series that aired nearly 30 years previous...

Yeah no. You ask someone who's casual RE; Star Trek, and they'll probably answer: Oh yeah, that that sci fi show with Captain Kirk...

TOS has a huge advantage in this regard. It has fans both among people who take Trek seriously, and among those who think it's campy fun. Other Trek shows don't draw well from the latter group.
 
A little debating is fine, but I say we all need to be respectful.

for example, there are people who love TFF. I “like it” but do find it to be really bad in parts and the worst of the TOS films.

That didn’t stop me from being genuinely interested in people’s POV and what it is about the film that they love.

Maybe I’m misinterpreting but I think some of the replies in this thread border on mocking/personal attacks.
 
That didn’t stop me from being genuinely interested in people’s POV and what it is about the film that they love.
Same here. I genuinely love learning knew points of view. I may not like a lot of media (my interests in various shows is extremely limited) but seeing what other people enjoy is the more enjoyable part.

That's why I can come across as a bit of a dick-I ask a lot of follow up questions because I want to know the other person's POV. So, if something matters to them then please tell me why! :)
 
TOS has a huge advantage in this regard. It has fans both among people who take Trek seriously, and among those who think it's campy fun. Other Trek shows don't draw well from the latter group.
Oh yes they do. I really get tired on the TNGer's who believe TNG was never as 'campy' as TOS, then it often was:

TNG S1 - Haven:
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^^^
No, this talking treasure chest that spits gems ain't campy at all....oh, wait...

TNG S6 - Masks:
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Yeah, Data walking aroundand having his personality turning into various 'gods' and the ship self transforming into a floating temple...that's not campy...oh, wait.

TOS was a mostly very serious show, as serious as TNG was - but, (IMO unlike TNG) did manage to integrate actual humor more successfully. Did TOS have it's share of campy episodes? You bet. But overall, I don't think it was any more of less campy than TNG got at times.

I only put up to epsisodes of the top of my head - one from the start of the series, and one as it was getting closer to ending its runn; but I'm so %$#@! tired of hearing people clam TOS was somehow more campy than TNG was overall as it really wasn't.
 
Alrighty, so, I've watched the episode a few times and I've come to the conclusion that it is good.

:guffaw:Better late than never. ;)

Some, maybe. But don't please paint us all the same way. If I thought the story was horrible, they could've had a Total & Complete TNG/VOY Reunion and it wouldn't have done anything for me.

Thank you. The EE's were fun but they weren't the reason it was a good episode.

I just wish some fans could get back to watching episodes with their hearts instead of solely with their heads. (and that's not to say be mindless about it either!)
 
I gave this a 7 but it could just as easily been a 6 for me. Once I knew that was Echeb I wasn't happy at all. I liked his character a lot. Also I dont understand why they couldn't get the actor who played him. Same for Maddox.
The original actor who played Maddox, Brian Brophy, doesn't act any more, he's now the head of the theater department at CalTech. So I'm thinking he didn't come back because he's just done with acting and didn't want to, or just couldn't find time in his schedule to do it.
As for Icheb, that one is a bit more of a surprise since the original actor did reprise the role in a fan film a couple years back, so he's obviously still willing to do it. I did see a something about some nasty comments he made in relation to Anthony Rapp, so that could possibly have something do with it. There are a lot of the same people working Picard who work on Discovery, so they might not have wanted to have anything to do with him after that.
 
The original actor who played Maddox, Brian Brophy, doesn't act any more, he's now the head of the theater department at CalTech. So I'm thinking he didn't come back because he's just done with acting and didn't want to, or just couldn't find time in his schedule to do it.
As for Icheb, that one is a bit more of a surprise since the original actor did reprise the role in a fan film a couple years back, so he's obviously still willing to do it. I did see a something about some nasty comments he made in relation to Anthony Rapp, so that could possibly have something do with it. There are a lot of the same people working Picard who work on Discovery, so they might not have wanted to have anything to do with him after that.
By account of another poster on this board who supposedly had knowledge, Brophy didn't know about Maddox coming back until told by a fan, meaning the production didn't contact him.

My theory is they just decided to recast Maddox and Icheb in the episode, to prevent any ugliness and furor over recasting one and not the other.

Icheb's death is actually a gender inversion of the "women in refrigerators" trope, a justly criticized cheap plot device where a female character is killed to give the male character more motivation. Here, a male character is killed to give the female character more motivation. And I don't think it's a much better storytelling device even gender inverted. Icheb's character was reduced to a gimmick almost.
 
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