Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x05 - "Stardust City Rag"

[cooleddie74]

"Do I really have to explain why letting the alien with the sinister motives beam aboard and get a tour of engineering is a bad idea?"

 

[Discofan]

"Do I really have to explain why letting the alien with the sinister motives beam aboard and get a tour of engineering is a bad idea?"

Are you quoting from the episode? I don't remember anyone saying that.

 

[cooleddie74]

Sigh.

 

[Campe]

If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: In my opinion, there is no definitive Star Trek. At present, there are 782 Star Trek adventures in the TV and film space, not to mention hundreds of books, comic books, video games and other ancillary materials. It is impossible for everyone to agree on the definition of what makes Star Trek Star Trek. Whether its the adventure, the tech, the story, whatever, Star Trek is different things to different people. It has redefined itself so often. So to suggest TOS, TNG or Disco are the definitive Trek just isn't possible. One can suggest that a series is definitive for them. But we'll never all agree on that.

Edited: Forgot the ten Short Treks.

 

[Discofan]

Sigh.

I wouldn't mind an explanation, really!

I promise you, next time I make a quote and forget to say where it's from and you ask me, I'll tell you.

 

[Discofan]

If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: In my opinion, there is no definitive Star Trek. At present, there are 782 Star Trek adventures in the TV and film space, not to mention hundreds of books, comic books, video games and other ancillary materials. It is impossible for everyone to agree on the definition of what makes Star Trek Star Trek. Whether its the adventure, the tech, the story, whatever, Star Trek is different things to different people. It has redefined itself so often. So to suggest TOS, TNG or Disco are the definitive Trek just isn't possible. One can suggest that a series is definitive for them. But we'll never all agree on that.

Edited: Forgot the ten Short Treks.

I think I can find a common denominator to all StarTrek... products, in the video area.

 

[Campe]

I think I can find a common denominator to all StarTrek... products, in the video area.

That's not a lot to stand on, honestly.

 

[JLBTucker]

It wouldn't have been a bad idea for every Starfleet ship to have one modern day human aboard to say things like, "Well, that guy's obviously evil, look at him!" "Of course they're lying, are you shitting me?" "Don't beam down there, for fuck's sake." "Well, that's a trap." "You can't tell she's possessed by an alien?"

So basically Guy from Galaxy Quest

 

[Kelso]

So basically Guy from Galaxy Quest

HA! I didn't think about him, but yes.

 

[Discofan]

That's not a lot to stand on, honestly.

Well, it's the best I can do.

For instance, can you find a single thing shared by all life? Well, I can't and yet "life" is supposed to be better defined than Star Trek.

 

[JLBTucker]

HA! I didn't think about him, but yes.

Dont open the door! this is an alien planet is there air?

 

[Campe]

Well, it's the best I can do.

For instance, can you find a single thing shared by all life? Well, I can't and yet "life" is supposed to be better defined than Star Trek.

And that’s my point. If that’s the best you can do, how can we ever come to a consensus about what it means to all of us? We can’t. And so why do we even try? This is an agree to disagree topic where we will never get to the bottom of it. And that’s okay!

 

[Gonzo]

It wouldn't have been a bad idea for every Starfleet ship to have one modern day human aboard to say things like, "Well, that guy's obviously evil, look at him!" "Of course they're lying, are you shitting me?" "Don't beam down there, for fuck's sake." "Well, that's a trap." "You can't tell she's possessed by an alien?"

Or even someone that could actually fire first rather than just sitting there waiting to be tagged.

 

[Skipper]

Just to cut Neutral Zone some slack...
(from Memory Alpha)

The writing of this episode was abruptly ended by the 1988 Writers Guild of America strike. Director James L. Conway remembered, "It was the last episode of the first season and there was a writers' strike underway. I think it was a first draft, and since there was a strike, no one could do any work on it. Gene and the producers couldn't do rewrites." (The Official Star Trek: The Next Generation Magazine issue 19) The strike provided little time and opportunity to revise the story outline, as originally submitted, into a teleplay, which Maurice Hurley had to do on the fly in one and a half days. (Star Trek: The Next Generation 365, p. 67)

 

[Captain pl1ngpl0ng]

Spoiler: next episode

This is clearly a Borg Childs Toy?

 

[The Old Mixer]

Spoiler: Spoiler above

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around Borg children playing with toys.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think the Betazoid vibe from Jayzil comes from the fact the actress playing her looks similar to Marina Sirtis.

 

[XCV330]

I think the Betazoid vibe from Jayzil comes from the fact the actress playing her looks similar to Marina Sirtis.

I watched it twice but did not get a good look at her irises. If she WAS Betazoid, not sure why she'd need a lie detecting lizard

 

[Hythlodeus]

I think the Betazoid vibe from Jayzil comes from the fact the actress playing her looks similar to Marina Sirtis.

'looks similar' is the understatement of the century

 

[Hythlodeus]

I watched it twice but did not get a good look at her irises. If she WAS Betazoid, not sure why she'd need a lie detecting lizard

maybe she's only half-Betazoid? (Freecloud HAS the facilities for that) And instead of inheriting the telepathic/empathic abilities of her Betazoid parent, like Deanna, she just inherited the Betazoid libido?